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    Your First Days In A Russian Med School

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    HI to all of you out there!

    As i had said in a previous thread... i d like to give you some info about the way students are being tested in russian med schools..and all its loopholes that allow teachers to be more corrupted... but before i do that.. let me give you a ' pre-taste' of how the first days of a foreign students are in a russian med school.. actually in most med schools in russia

    anyway.. let s assume that you just arrived in russia.... you ll first be surprised to be greeted with the thousands of WONDERFUL SMILES the russian people would give you.. it seems that they are going to a funeral.. everybody will look mad.. sad..and/or preoccupied with something..

    they all be dressed in black..and would look furious if you talk to them.. women are overweight..

    The only people that you ll see HONESTLY smiling.. will be the street drunkards...lost in their oblivion..

    you ll approach some old roman ruin-looking edifice that will be called your medical school...

    then as you enter the doors.. you ll promptly be stopped by some overweight, hypertensive and plethoric red-faced security guard that will ask you ' what do you want ?' in the typical russian hospitable manner..

    you ll probably struggle 15 minutes to make him understand that you are a student and that you need to find the foreign students office.. surely you ll be scrutinized and he ll take your passport gribble something in a piece of paper that will act as your pass for that day.. that piece of gribble may even cost you 50 Rubles! (about $1.5)..which actually should not cost anything.. but that s extra money for that guard.. most likely for a shot of vodka....

    as you now cleared the first stage of that game.. you ll be walking through some dark.. unlit hallway.. trying to find out where the foreign student office is.. that ll probably take about another 15 minutes.. you ll enter an elevator the size of a coffin....and THEN.....youll start asking questions to yourself.. like ' what the hell am i doing here?'... or ' is that really a med school'... ' was i fooled' ..or stuff like that.. that will be a mind-boggling period ..

    FINALLY you passed the level 1 of the game and reached your admission office.. some halfway renovated hallway.. with thick doors.. thick like fat *** cushions.. you could knock as hard as you could .. noone would hear you on the otherside..
    you are now in the foreign student s office. .but ONLY 1 person speaks english ...and guess what.. that person is NOT here...

    DAMN... what should i do?? wait 5 hours for that person to return.. (if that person returns..as there are no guarantee) or struggle my way back to my rundown dorm?

    ok.. i ll make it easier for you... let s assume that ONLY english-speaking person is there.... he/she ll ask you for some pics.. your passport..and SURELY enough pay some amount of money.. (that money will go straight to that person s pocket... i dont know why they need that extra amount)
    that person will tell you in some broken english.. ` you will be in group 12`...ok?!!..but where is that ? and when do classes start? and where are my classes going to be??
    the answer will be ' Ask your seniors in your dorm and they ll tell you'....
    WOW.. that s orientation russian style and i am not joking and i am not kidding about that..

    so now i am in the middle of a totally unknown place.. i know NOBODY.. and i am suppose to find out who will be my classmates..and i should follow them like a sheep so that i d know where classes are..that s the equivalent of the MAP that they give you at orientation day in american Us..

    anyway.. you ll then probably be asked to PAY your tuition.. cuz that s all that matters to them...
    so til the point of paying tuition.. believe it or not.. NO PROBLEMS have yet come your way.. that s cuz you have not paid yet..

    so you ll be sent to your ' contractor' ... most likely some foreign place to exchange gas..from some 3rd world place.. like india.. sri lanka.. egypt .. anyway.. you get the pic.. HOWEVER i should say that not all contractors are foreign but a good majority are..
    you might find that a little eery.. well so did i... how come some 3rd world starving dog be an foreign student agent at some russian med school? well it is a long story and i ll need to start another thread for that..
    (when i said 'starvin dog' i am talking about the personality of the contractor.. not his/her origins...so you guys from asia.. take a pill and relax!)

    Russia is famed for long lines.. but when it is time to pay.. they ll be little waiting time!!! that s the ONLY good thing i ve noticed..
    at MMA they ll treat you like you ve been owing them the money..

    now you ve paid and are set!!.. as you head to your dorm.. making plans for the next upcoming days..and how you ll tackle your new medical career.. you ll start having problems..
    you ll enter your dorm ..and already 2 people are already living there..!!

    WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED?? i just went pay my tuition.. and how did those 2 appear?? well easy.. the university staff knows that i have paid..and will not just turn around and go back home now... and as they always overstaff their students.. they pack them up in small rooms after they have paid..
    MMA does that.. Mr SAMAN..and he alcoholoc acolyte.. georgi gregorivitch (person in charge with housing) love to do that..

    enough said about all that.. cuz i could go on and on for days and months..

    the system of education in russia ..is something that you MUST be aware of before you get there..cuz otherwise you ll be in big big big BIG trouble..

    the day of registration.. you ll be given a booklet.. called a ZACHETNAYA..it is a booklet that you ll be keeping from day 1 til the last day of med school as it will contain all your grades for all exams..from year 1 to year 6... it is your ' transcripts' .. your ' records'...
    you ll have to show it to the prof after every exams..so that he ll write the grade. .the subject and his/her signature..
    DONT ever try to fake a signature.. youll be in the streets in no time!

    and you already can see that if you have good grades from the 1st year.. then the next following years.. profs.. will look at your past grades and decide the grade you ll get..
    so if you did well in your 1st year.. then the profs will think.. hmm that s a smart person.. i ll give him a good grade too..
    if you didnt do too well in 1st year.. but are trying your hardest in the following years.. you may not get the grade you deserve as your 1st year grades penalized you.. that s already ONE prob..


    wow.. it is late here.. i ll go on next time.. sorry to dwell on all that..
    take care

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    I can't remember exact how was my first day in russian medical school.
    Even though i learnt 3 months Russian language in Malaysia before I went to Russia. It was terrible. I couldn't understand anything...... People around all use Russian. When i went to shop to buy something, i pointed this pointed that 'ieta'.

    General, people here are not really friendly. Why? I am not really sure the reason; maybe hard life makes them like that?
    With help of senior, i manage to get my room, and necessary stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bpoichan View Post
    HI to all of you out there!


    the day of registration.. you ll be given a booklet.. called a ZACHETNAYA..it is a booklet that you ll be keeping from day 1 til the last day of med school as it will contain all your grades for all exams..from year 1 to year 6... it is your ' transcripts' .. your ' records'...
    you ll have to show it to the prof after every exams..so that he ll write the grade. .the subject and his/her signature..
    DONT ever try to fake a signature.. youll be in the streets in no time!

    and you already can see that if you have good grades from the 1st year.. then the next following years.. profs.. will look at your past grades and decide the grade you ll get..
    so if you did well in your 1st year.. then the profs will think.. hmm that s a smart person.. i ll give him a good grade too..
    if you didnt do too well in 1st year.. but are trying your hardest in the following years.. you may not get the grade you deserve as your 1st year grades penalized you.. that s already ONE prob..
    Most of the Russian Medical School students complain this issue. It's rather unfair for those who did not do well in 1st year, right?

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    I would like to add some information about the exam system in Russia. Not everyone is legible to sit for examination. All students are supposed to attend classes, complete all the tests. Then, the teacher/ lecturer will give credit (zachot) end of the semester/ end of the cycle. You need to collect all zachots for that particular subject before you are allowed to take exam. For example, we learn anatomy in 1st, 2nd and 3rd semester; the exam is end of 3rd semester. That mean you need to have 3 zachots for anatomy.

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    quiz, test and exams

    ok.. i am back!

    well i was talking about that ZACHETNAYA (transcript booklet)...

    now i d like to tell you how you ll be tested.. i ll simplify it for you .. and will say that youll have weekly or bi-weekly quizzes.. and after 5 quizzes you ll have a TEST...and at the end of the semester/year you ll have the EXAM...
    clear?.. so quizzes.. after 5 quizzes you ll have a test.. and at the end exam..

    when you ll have your quiz.. it will mostly be oral.. though sometimes it could be written.. then the prof will decide if you correctly answered the quiz or not.. and will decide if you have passed that quiz or have to repeat it..

    that sounds fair doesnt it.? you did not pass a quiz.. go home .. study harder for it ..and come back again and take it again.. right?
    at first site ..nothing wrong with it..

    well .. now let me add some of that russian sauce on it .. and tell me what you think..
    let s say you did not pass this week s quiz.. then you ll have to take that quiz the FOLLOWING week.. you will NOT be allowed to take it any earlier that your next lesson.. and you ll be allowed to take that belated quiz ONLY.. that is in short 1 quiz per lesson.. you cant go and ask to take 3 quizzes on the same given day...

    that means that you ll be late of 1 quiz til your test.. but then.. on test day.. youll be one quiz behind.. and wont be allowed to sit for that test.. and the prof will be busy watching students and may not take your quiz..

    so you are now a quiz and a test late....now if the prof does not like you .. you can go and repeat a quiz 10 TIMES.. and they will not pass you.. so you ll be 10 quizzes late!! or should i say.. 2 tests..and 10 quizzes late..

    when time for exams will approach.. then with all the DEBTS you have.. (that s how they call it in RUSSIAN: DEBTS..you know why? .. cuz you actually have to pay money ~ $10 per late quizzes!!!..payable straight to the prof s pocket)...
    you will not be allowed to take your exams..

    what should you do then?? PAY THE PROFs... that is how they make their livings..and they MAINLY target the foreign students as they are thought to have money..
    so this is how corruption works at its best in MMA especially and most med schools in russia..

    the profs dont care about teaching you .. they dont care if you learn .. they ll just play with you.. tire you emotionally and physically(with all the useless running around)..just for you to pay them a fair amount of money.. cuz otherwise.. they ll be pissed and mess you up even more..

    you ll have to make up for every skipped classes.. whether you have a paper from the doc.. you ll have to make it up.. how?? well first by paying the prof directly $10 and then answering question on the topic missed... if you dont pass that .. you ll have to come again.. pay again $ 10...
    i suppose that you can see the picture..

    the worst place at MMA was the PHARMACOLOGY dept.. and let me tell you something really interesting about it.. the chief of the pharma dept at MMA is noone but the DEAN OF FOREIGN STUDENTS.. mr ALAYUTDIN!!!

    all the staff in that dept.. are just MONEY GUZZLERS.. they ll never let you pass quizzes easily NO MATTER HOW HARD you study.. their goal is simple.. MONEY.. MONEY ..and alayutdin seems to encourage it there!


    why am i telling you that.. cuz i want you to have a real and true pic of how things happen there.. it took me a while to understand the way they thought..

    i dont mean to sound partial .. but at PFU .. i had some troubles ressembling that with a prof in ' hygiene and welfare'.. but the good thing was that i could talk to the chief of dept about my problem.. and did not have to go through pain anymore.. at MMA i went to the secretary of the dean.. and she replied to me ' I AM NOT HERE TO HELP YOU AND I AM NOT HERE NOT TO HELP YOU!'.. whatever that means..

    the rector at PFU was the ex-minister of education of Russia.. Mr FILIPOV... he is known to a nightmare to the teaching staff.. but he is great to the students.. for the reason that he is simply kicks out ANY teaching staff out of the University that is caught bribing students.. and/or any rumors about a prof known to take money.. would also mean their dismissal from the university..

    can you imagine that? i can go and create some false complaint and some profs losing their jobs.. regardless of their seniority at the universtity.. ???!!!

    what does it mean? profs are dead afraid to take money at PFU.. i saw many students trying to pay some teachers cuz they did not prepare for some exams.. but the profs were simply TOO frightened to take the money..
    .. i was asked many times by students if i could help with so and so teachers as i was pretty well-known there..

    you can now conclude whatever you see fit .. but all i can say .. is that a good med school in russia is the one where a student is under the ultimate environment to study under fair and honest conditions..

    PFU is surely not heaven..but trust me it is light years ahead from the rest in Russia..

    leave your input .. or if you have any Qs.. dont hesitate to let me know!!
    take care !

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    You guys are acting like you expected something else. If you wanted to go to a place that spoke english you should have gone to a Caribbean Medical school or some english speaking european country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by applemas View Post
    ...before I went to Russia. It was terrible. I couldn't understand anything...... People around all use Russian
    It's Russia! Like RJ said, what did you expect?
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    Of course I didn't expect people to use English. I'm just sharing my experience.
    I manage to adapt in a month. It's not that bad.

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    RussianJoo, & DOCplucinski
    By the way, what wrong to learn additional language?

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