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    Best Med School in Moscow

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    Which med school in Moscow is the best to study in russian? Is it MMA or RSMU? Or maybe better place will be one of med faculty on the Lomonosov Uni or PFU? If any1 is studing there or studied pleasy help me...

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    Here Is Your Answer!

    hi there,

    first of all there are no best programs in russia as they all follow one same curriculum that every med school has to follow..
    now what is best for you?? the hardest school ?? the one that gives you the best practice? the safest place to study??
    anyway it is all relative..

    but if your purpose is to learn medicine in the best environment possible with ultimate exposure.. with a cooperative staff.. then.. i would definitely avoid MMA and RSMU...
    that is for sure..

    when you talk about russian medical schools.. just FORGET ABOUT PROVINCIAL SCHOOLS!! .. .STICK TO MOSCOW!!!!! i dont know how strong i should tell you about this!! but that is soooo important..
    if you drive an hour away from moscow.. it is as if you were travelling through time.. from 20th century.. (moscow is still not in the 21st century) to 16th .. or 15th century.. so imagine the quality of hospitals and medical schools facilities in the russian provinces..

    you may see some comments from ppl studying in the provinces.. and they ll rebutt what i am saying.. but who wants to spit on the place they study? and they are probably used to their conditions there..

    why not MMA and RSMU?
    well in moscow RSMU is famous to be a joke among ALL docs, students.. the main RSMU hospital, called the 1st hospital.. is full of homeless patients and you may run the risk to catch some nocosomial infections there rather than helping someone.. the main RSMU building is so intimidating that if you saw it.. you d simply turn around and go..

    MMA..is not foreign student friendly place.. no matter what they claim in their site.. you can see.. . .. they claim that they are number 1 in the UNESCO and WHO ranking.. well SORRY.... but there are NO rankings of medical schools at the UNESCO and the WHO.. the WHO has only a list of world med schools.. i have informed them about what the MMA is claiming..the administration has 2 women called LYDIA and OLGA SEMENOVA... 2 sluts that will cause you all the problems in the world to get money out of you... sad but true..
    the staff teaches you half-way and will treat you like dirt..
    let me tell you how they test the students at MMA during their exams.. the teacher ask a yes/no question and the student answers yes or no.. they are asked about 5 qs.. and you are done with the exam..
    so if you want a medical degree with honors.. without knowing much.. MMA is for you!!

    PFU is definitely the most demanding place in moscow.. the 1st 3 years at PFU are famed to be a killer.. soo many students leave the PFU as they do not pass all their exams on time.. the PFU does not joke about that.. they are a tough place and require you to know a lot..
    moreover, they are used to having foreign students and you ll feel at home..
    in your last year you have the so-called STATE EXAM .. every med school has it.. but not like the PFU.. many are simply afraid to transfer to the PFU just for the state exam.. mma state exam is open book...and questions are given to them beforehand.. rsmu have their scores for the state exams before even taking the exams... how do they do thta?? i dont know but that is all true..

    i am not sure about MGU.. Moscow State University med school.. it is a new program.. many of MSU have anatomy classes with the MMA students.. and they have orthopedics with the PFU hospitals..
    i know that it is more expensive..and does not have anything special to offer.. it does not have an impacting reputation in moscow .. that is for sure..

    the choice is yours now.. pick your card!

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    RSMU has a pediatrics faculty which is considered the top of medical education, meaning you could work with children and adults. All moscow universities are good, and in any of them you will get proper education, since curriculum is almost the same in all of them. If you know russian go to their forums and read what real students say.
    I am sure you will get more information about studying, problems/issues etc. The more sources of info you get better for your decision making.

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    ****

    /in any of them you will get proper education,/

    allow me to laugh please!

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    ???

    sorry but it is not making sense to me.. can anyone guide me on this...?

    chygada said:
    /RSMU has a pediatrics faculty which is considered the top of medical education, meaning you could work with children and adults./

    how can a pediatric hospital work with adults??!!! DUH!!!

    i know that hospital .. i lived across the street from that place....and did many practicals there as i had friends there.. not a nice place.. doctors do not really care about helping students.. and access to pediatric patients is EXTREMELY limited..
    that is a RSMU program..
    Last edited by bpoichan; 05-24-2007 at 07:33 AM.

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    bpiochan-im looking more at PFU now...

    having done some more research, i'm considering PFU more strongly now, you say you graduated from there a couple of monhs ago so tell me more about the teaching quality- is it good enough?
    is the state exam far too hard to pass or do you just have to put in the hours?
    where did you do your "work experience" to get such good exposure?
    i'm interested!

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    jeniw13

    i believe that PFU is the best place a foreign student can find in russia..i was done last June at PFU.. and got a scholarship in orthopedic surgery there..
    the state exam is not like what you ll have at MMA or RSMU.. professors will actually ask you questions..
    the state exam is set up in 2 stages...
    1- the computer exam.. you have 100 questions to answer within 1h 30 minutes (if i can recall)..they all are MCQs.. those 100 questions will pertain to ALL subjects learned from 1st to 6th year of medical school.. anatomy.. biochemistry.. surgery.. etc...
    you ll be given a 2 books with about 4000 questions, and answers... 1 year before the exam....you ll be reading the books.. during all the year to prepare for the computer exam..
    out of the 4000 Qs.. 100 will be taken at random during your computer exam..
    you must also understand that ALL the questions will be in RUSSIAN!!! whether you are in the english medium or not.. the dean is absolutely adamant about it...

    2- if you successfully pass the computer exam .. you ll be eligible for the oral part of the state exams.. you ll have the Hygiene/Social welfare; Pediatrics; Ob-Gyn; Surgery and Internal Medicine exam..


    it is not an impossible exam at all! but you ll only find this at PFU: STUDENTS THAT DO FAIL THE EXAM and have to COME BACK THE FOLLOWING YEAR FOR THE EXAM!!


    dont let that deter you.. you ll do fine.. if the profs know that you ve been consistent.. all will be fine


    as for the quality of education.. all i can say is that the professors and students make a ' small family'.. compared to MMA..
    i was at MMA..and the quality of teaching was fair.. whereas i found the profs to be VERY good at PFU..i attended some classes at RSMU as i had a buddy there.. i was stunned how terrible the quality was..
    an example:
    renal physiology was covered in less than 30 minutes!!!

    and since the med fac is smaller people will know you .. and you could have access to the anatomy lab more often.. or cadaver for suture practice and the like..
    at MMA.. the anatomy lab.. is far from where you ll live.. and you ll have to fight to get anything..

    just think of PFU of a smaller scale.. higher quality place where you ll have all accessible at an arm s length..


    as for the exposure.. i have made previous posts about it..
    all will be accessible if you hunt and go for it.. and i am soo thankful to PFU and the great people i had met there..
    PFU has also its fair share of jerks...just like any other place though..

    I ll be heading to PFU on the 31st of May for a month and will return in september for a little while.. if you need any further info please let me know i could find this out for you..

    i ll take the time to take pics if i can and try to post it.. hope you ll all have an idea..
    Last edited by bpoichan; 05-24-2007 at 08:43 AM.

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    bpoichan

    that's an impressive resume of PFU!
    Am i right in thinking that you're from the US? in which case, how did you find final exams in russian language and what was your exposure to russian before you arrived?
    it appears as though many people planning to go to uni in russia in sept. are already there- is this necessary / does the residency issue alter the fees yuo pay.

    I'm really keen about this move, just apprehensive at such a big step!
    Will you be able (should you want to) use your medical degree elsewhere globally (as long as you take the necessary exams) this sounds like an obvious thing to ask- i've seen verification letters from graduates at pavlov- scanned copies of letters- but nothing else so far.
    Pictures would be amazing by the way!
    Also, if you're in russia over the summer, i may well visit in august if i get accepted- to try and settle in- it would be nice to have a guided tour of the city :rolledeyes:
    Whewre is your internship exactly?
    be in touch
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    jeniw

    hi there...

    people starting next year can not be there yet...the earliest they can go would be by mid august...their visa will start from mid-august only!..
    as for the russian language.. you ll pick it up.. it s all a matter of time..and motivation.. the PFU will make sure that you pick russian up...the russian students at PFU are friendlier than students of other universities and that will allow you to make russian friends ...

    i didnt understand your question about the fee in residency..
    for myself .. i got a scholarship. meaning that it is free.. i do not pay tuition..

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    residency fees

    Hi there,
    The only thing i meant about residency is that in england the cost of tuition is seven times more if you havent lived in the UK for the previous 3 years, i wondered if the same applied.
    How do i kick start the application process?
    I've tried to telephone PFU earlier today but could not connect adn i sent off an email asking for more information 3 days ago but have not heard back yet- any other ideas?
    thanks

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