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    My View of 5th Semester (Long!)

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    Im jus going to post about what I think was important so you guys coming in to 5th will have a heads up.

    Personally I felt 5th semester was a total waste of time. I think we would be better of studying for the step first then take 5th if we must. You will be tested on material that was not covered during the course. However, It will be material that was covered on the island. Make sure that when you come to orientation that you bring a checkbook or credit card to pay for the bcls and atls courses. It costs 300.00 that is not included in your tuition. You will also have to register and pay for step 1 which was 695. if I remember correctly.

    I thought the UMBR course was ok but it ended up being very time consuming and once you commit to going to are held to that decision. If you stop going you will be ask to pay for the question bank. Im not sure how much this was. The problem with this course was you have no time to go back over the material that was covered. The week of our mid term exam we had 4 sessions of UMBR. So you will have clinical rotations from 9am to 5pm (For the rotation we were on) then UMBR starts at 6pm and went till 10pm. So you have roughly 3-4 hrs at night to study for the mid term exam.

    The rotations were hit and miss. Out of all the weeks we had rotations I had 10 days of rotations that were really good. Some of the other places we were at spoke mostly spanish and we could not understand what was going on. Basically you will sit in the room and watch all day. There was a few places where you could actually do things.

    The exams: You will have a pre test when you get there. If i remember correctly it had roughly 60 multiple choice questions. and 3 or 4 essay questions (does not count towards your grade). I strongly suggest you go over this exam before you take the mid term exam. The midterm I think had about the same break down (counts 15% i think). The final exam had 100 multiple choice questions and 6 essay questions.
    Preparing for these tests was kind of tough. They can test you over the small group and large group sessions or any topic off the course sylabus. They usually give you the readings for these classes the weekend before you have them. They will consist of reading approx 2-3 chapters from harrison's or the pathophysiology book. Some times this consists over >150 pages of reading. You will have to fit this in between the rotations, papers, studying for PE test and other assignments. The sylabus has approx 6 pages of topics that you can be tested on. A lot of these will not be talked about in class so you will have to start looking at them early. Some of the topics are broad for example they have " the menstrual cycle".

    The write ups: Plan on having to do 2. They will tell you at the begining of the semester that you will have to do one unless you fail or want to improve the grade you got on the one you wrote. This will change at the end of the semester and almost everyone will have to do another one. If you get a good or better on the first one then you have the option of doing a power point presentation. There is no limit on how long the papers have to be but most likely you will end up with 20-25 pages. They will make you list all the drugs which will include name, MOA, adverse effects, contraindications. Some of the patients will be on a ton of drugs. You will most likely get your first patient from the assisted living facility. They will be train wrecks so prepare yourself. For the write ups I suggest going to the TA sessions to find out what exactly they are looking for.

    Miami in general: I would suggest living near south beach area (if you can afford it) It seemed to be central to most of the roatations and the hyatt regency downtown. You will go to the Hyatt a lot in the begining of the semester. It will cost you 7.00 per day parking if you drive there. Towards the middle of the semester you will go there 1 time a week then the 7000 building 1 time per week. The traffic Sucks. So plan on leaving early to make it there on time. They are crazy about people being late or sitting in the back of the auditorium.

    Lectures: Most of the lectures were pretty boring. There were a few that I enjoyed. Piece of advice I would attend the lecture on the epidemiology. They are much better than the one on the island but also because there will be a 76 question test at the end of the semester. It is an open book test. I would suggest buying the book from the school (30.00) and taking notes in it. Not everything is in the book (I found this out during my epi test :P) Also this drove me nuts! They have one printer that hardly works. So they make it so you cant print off the lecture notes. You cant even print them off from home.

    Well thats all I can think about right now! If anyone has any questions about it write away. I am very tired so sorry about the spelling and rambling.
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    hey neuro...thanks for your informative post.

    if you choose not to do umbr, do they hold it against you in any way?

    also, do u recommend living near the 7000 building?

    how are weekends? are classes held or do u have free time to catch up on the work?

    thanks again! good luck studying for step 1.

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    If you dont go to UMBR they wont hold it against you unless you are required to go (ie you fail ur comp). However, if you dont go they wont let you go later either. They have one person come in to teach that is from Kaplan and he is really good, if you werent going to umbr they wont let you go to jus him. Living near the 7000 building is nice when you have to go there but it sucks when you have to go to most of the rotations or to the hyatt downtown. The weekends are usually off unless you are going to umbr, have a weekend rotation or a required class. Plan on having something pretty much every weekend at least one day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neuro3
    They usually give you the readings for these classes the weekend before you have them. They will consist of reading approx 2-3 chapters from harrison's or the pathophysiology book.

    this SOUNDS like it could be beneficial for step 1, since step1 is heavily pathophys. but reading 100+ pages is a beeotch.

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    I am a second year medical student in Medical school in London, UK and I am thinking of transferring to Ross University for my clinical years. I completed a BSc in Pre-Med/Biology in a US college and then moved to the UK to study medicine. I will be completing my 2 years of pre-clinical/basic sciences in June 2006 and I am planning to apply to Ross University for admission to the 6th semester starting in September 2006. The 2 year pre-clinical curriculum at my uni covers most of the stuff that’s covered in the 5th semester (AICM) curriculum at Ross, and that’s why I am thinking of transferring to the 6th semester instead. I am also sitting for the USMLE step 1 exam this summer. I would really appreciate it if somebody could answer one or more of the questions I have listed below...or direcet me to the relevant thread. Thanks!!

    1)How much patient/physical examination skills (eg. taking blood pressure etc.) and history taking skills—not just in theory but in practical form--do you learn in the 5th semester?

    2)How much patient/physical examination skills and history taking skills does one need to have/know before starting clinical rotations in the US? In other words, what clinical skills must I have (or should already know) to be competent enough to start clinical rotations in US hospitals?


    3) When do students normally take the USMLE step 1 exam if they are thinking of starting their clinical rotations in September?

    4) I am not a US citizen; what type of US visa should I get to be able to do my clinical rotations in US hospitals?

    5) Are we required to do all my core rotations in hospitals affiliated to Ross University or can I opt to do certain rotations in non-affiliated hospitals?

    6) Would I be able do some or all of my elective rotations in non-affiliated hospitals?

    7) If I do all or some of my core rotations and electives in non-affiliated hospitals, will it be a problem when I am applying for residency positions in the US?

    I just discovered--after reading posts in the this forum--that in order to be able to get licensure in some states, like PA, MA, CA, NY, NH—states which I would prefer to work in-- one must be trained in an ACGME accredited residency program. I also gather that in order to get into in to an ACGME accredited residency, one must do all ACGME accredited clinical rotations…

    8) Can anybody tell me if I have understood the whole ‘ACGME accreditation issue’ correctly/properly ?

    9) If I was to complete my medical degree in a non-American medical school (eg. in UK. Australia, India) and to have done all my clinical rotations in non-US hospitals, would this mean that I would not have been able to get licensure in those states that require one to have trained in an ACGME accredited residency program (since all my rotation were done in foreign hospitals)?

    Thank you very much—in advance—for taking the time trouble to answer my questions.

    Best wishes for the New Year!!!!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by amridz
    The 2 year pre-clinical curriculum at my uni covers most of the stuff that’s covered in the 5th semester (AICM) curriculum at Ross, and that’s why I am thinking of transferring to the 6th semester instead.
    The last I heard the furthest anyone could transfer to Ross was into the 5th semester. Meaning you would have to do the semester in Miami before being allowed to start clinicals.

    Has this rule been changed?
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    No

    No freespirit, the rule has not changed. from what I understand all transfers must do 5th semester. Also, it would help to have passed step 1 prior to starting 5th.---acetre

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    No more transfers

    I wish Ross would stop letting people transfer into the 3rd year and save valuable/sparse clinical spots only for real Ross students who spent the prior 16 months in Dominia.
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    Selfishness

    Quote Originally Posted by homerbrave
    I wish Ross would stop letting people transfer into the 3rd year and save valuable/sparse clinical spots only for real Ross students who spent the prior 16 months in Dominia.
    Dude, it was your fault that you chose to go to Dominica for 16 months. that doesn't mean everyone should have had to share in your misery if that is indeed what you experienced. As for the Clinical spots; you will get yours when you get yours.

    When students transfer to Ross for 3rd Year, they have already passed Step 1. so why should transfer students have to wait behind you for clinical spots (Just because you stayed in Dominica for 16 months-boo hoo) when it is not even certain that you or any other student who went to Dominica for 16 month will PASS STEP 1 after 5th Semester.

    Dude c'mon, Wake up and See the Light!!!!

    ---acetre

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    better the average

    Quote Originally Posted by acetre
    Dude, it was your fault that you chose to go to Dominica for 16 months. that doesn't mean everyone should have had to share in your misery if that is indeed what you experienced. As for the Clinical spots; you will get yours when you get yours.

    When students transfer to Ross for 3rd Year, they have already passed Step 1. so why should transfer students have to wait behind you for clinical spots (Just because you stayed in Dominica for 16 months-boo hoo) when it is not even certain that you or any other student who went to Dominica for 16 month will PASS STEP 1 after 5th Semester.

    Dude c'mon, Wake up and See the Light!!!!

    ---acetre
    The only reason Ross allows transfers of students that have passed the USMLE is that they then can get the average passing rate to where it ahs to be to keep the Stafford Loans and they will also be able to start quoting passing rates from years since 2003.
    When you become my age you will realize all of the hard work and studying was worth the effort.
    "60 years young" another 60 to go if my doctor sons keep me alive with free prescriptions!!

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