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    What is the difference between MBBS and MD?

    Could anybody tell me the difference between MBBS and MD?
    If one has MBBS, is it equivalent to MD?

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    The M.B.B.S. is a bachelor of medicine and a bachelor of surgery. It is generally granted by UK and Commonwealth countrie. It is generally 5-6 years in length. It is an MD equivalent. They can still become FMGs if they pass USMLE step 1 and 2.

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    I am a PhD scientist doing medical research at a highly ranked children's hospital in the US. I am getting ready to interview a candidate for residency who has a MBBS from Sudan, no clerkship required, they just need to complete and pass the licensing exams. The problem with this country is we value the MD degree too highly. It is really more equivalent to a masters than an actual doctorate. There are specialist undergrad schools in the US (Northeastern Medical College of Ohio, for instance) where you simply go in as an undergrad into a 6 or 7 year medical program where you come out with an MD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bennetmr View Post
    I am a PhD scientist doing medical research at a highly ranked children's hospital in the US. I am getting ready to interview a candidate for residency who has a MBBS from Sudan, no clerkship required, they just need to complete and pass the licensing exams. The problem with this country is we value the MD degree too highly. It is really more equivalent to a masters than an actual doctorate. There are specialist undergrad schools in the US (Northeastern Medical College of Ohio, for instance) where you simply go in as an undergrad into a 6 or 7 year medical program where you come out with an MD.
    full time study a masters is usually 1-2 yrs post undergrad, it is by far more than a masters, and closer to a DA, or PhD. also look at the amount of credits granted/classes taken at once at the "masters" level. there are many more class hours than a full time masters program at the same if not greater difficulty. only difference after classroom is instead of mandatory research, we do clinicals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by medic300107 View Post
    full time study a masters is usually 1-2 yrs post undergrad, it is by far more than a masters, and closer to a DA, or PhD. also look at the amount of credits granted/classes taken at once at the "masters" level. there are many more class hours than a full time masters program at the same if not greater difficulty. Only difference after classroom is instead of mandatory research, we do clinicals.
    Not quite the only difference - you do not necessarily need a bachelor's degree to get into medical school (though most do), just the premed requirements. Also, 2 years of clinicals after classroom isn't the same as possibly 4 or more years of research/teaching (teaching includes med school classes) Also, publication of peer reviewed research and a dissertation (often well over 100 pages of original research) and doctoral defense. Then afterward is the post doctoral fellowship, which is similar to a fellowship an MD needs to specialize. Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking the MD degree, I'm just saying it's not the academic equivalent to a PhD, which is very clear dealing with some of the residents and clinical fellows I deal with everyday - some are very bright, some (which is the scary thing) are complete idiots - simply robots. The MD is indeed more advanced to than a masters, more like a juris doctorate, or law degree, which is three years. (also, many masters are 2-3 year programs)

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    Trying to compare the MD with the PhD is pretty nonsensical. Though, the MD and JD degrees are much older than the PhD degree. Just saying.

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    Actually in some countries that grant the MBBS degree and also the MD degree the MD is closer to a PhD because they have to do research and a thesis to get it.

    The MD is in fact a doctorate level degree, the title "doctor" is both academic and professional for an MD. For the MBBS the title is professional and not academic. If you have an MD your proper title is doctor whether you practice or not, not so with an MBBS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrendaB_MD View Post
    The major difference is between professional degrees (MD, JD, MBBS,DPH) and research degrees (PhD). Comparing professional degrees and research degrees is like comparing apples and oranges as these degrees have totally different objectives. A PhD prepares one to do research and the major hurdle is an original thesis. A professional degree generally only requires cousework or, if it does require a thesis, the thesis might be more properly required a 'project' and requires much less effort than a PhD thesis.

    A MBBS is equivalent to an MD and, I believe, those with an MBBS can use the MD title in the US. MBBS can be a 4 yr degree (US model) or a 6 yr degree (UK model). Over the years, there has been a progression to 4 yr post-graduate MBBS degrees. For example, in Australiam, most MBBS programs are now post-graduate 4 yr degrees (US model).

    I am always amused at how people get tangled up in their underwear over these distinctions. MBBS= MD <> PhD.
    I agree totally. As I had mentioned, my goal was not to knock the MD degree but to reassure people that the MBBS was equivalent to the MD degree in terms of practicing medicine in the US. The other stuff was mainly focused at those who believe that the MD degree is the penultimate degree and that those who have it are superior to all others, which is totally not the case. If it was you wouldn't see MD's going on to get PhDs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrendaB_MD View Post
    The major difference is between professional degrees (MD, JD, MBBS,DPH) and research degrees (PhD). Comparing professional degrees and research degrees is like comparing apples and oranges as these degrees have totally different objectives. A PhD prepares one to do research and the major hurdle is an original thesis. A professional degree generally only requires cousework or, if it does require a thesis, the thesis might be more properly required a 'project' and requires much less effort than a PhD thesis.

    A MBBS is equivalent to an MD and, I believe, those with an MBBS can use the MD title in the US. MBBS can be a 4 yr degree (US model) or a 6 yr degree (UK model). Over the years, there has been a progression to 4 yr post-graduate MBBS degrees. For example, in Australiam, most MBBS programs are now post-graduate 4 yr degrees (US model).

    I am always amused at how people get tangled up in their underwear over these distinctions. MBBS= MD <> PhD.
    You are partly mistaken. In some countries that grant the MBBS and the MD, the MD requires research and an original thesis, just like the PhD, just like I said.

    Otherwise, in general, the MD and MBBS are equivalent.

    Though it may seem to you that some "get tangled up in their underwear", this is actually a serious matter. Translating credentials is an industry unto itself, and the fact is that the MD and the MBBS are not the same degree and in fact the MBBS is something different in different places as is the MD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chopdoc View Post
    You are partly mistaken. In some countries that grant the MBBS and the MD, the MD requires research and an original thesis, just like the PhD, just like I said.

    Otherwise, in general, the MD and MBBS are equivalent.

    Though it may seem to you that some "get tangled up in their underwear", this is actually a serious matter. Translating credentials is an industry unto itself, and the fact is that the MD and the MBBS are not the same degree and in fact the MBBS is something different in different places as is the MD.
    You are correct that in those countries that offer both the MBBS and MD the MD is considered a higher doctorate and is both professional and academic and in those cases, higher than the MBBS. However, in the United States, the degree is a professional degree and the equivalent of the MBBS, who can in turn use the MD title in the united states. It is different in other countries, some have the MD and the higher Dsc, or in the US where a "higher doctorate MD" is not offered, those who wish to have a large focus on research or academics get a PhD as well. The list is endless between the multitude of countries. However, in the US, the MBBS is considered equivalent to an MD.

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