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    Can majority of your clinicals be done at one location?

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    Hi there!

    This question may have been asked before, but I was wondering about how many places you'd have to move around the U.S. to finish your clinicals?

    Is it possible to get the majority of your clinicals done at one location? (say like 60 weeks or so?). I'm applying to SABA but I've heard some students have been leap-frogging the U.S. doing 3 weeks in NY, the next in Connecticuit, then Chicago and so on. That seems to be pretty stressful to have to move around so much so quickly.

    Also, does the school arrange housing for you? Where are you supposed to stay during these clinicals if you dont have friends/relatives in the surrounding area?

    If anyone can reply, thanks!

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    Bubbleboy:

    I beleive All Ross clinical rotatios can be done at Jackson Park in Chicago or Kern Medical center in Bakersfield California. Kern requires a separate appplication and high USMLE scores. The majority of Ross clinicals are in New YOrk City. FInd an apartment centrally located and the good public transportation will get you to most sites.
    When you become my age you will realize all of the hard work and studying was worth the effort.
    "60 years young" another 60 to go if my doctor sons keep me alive with free prescriptions!!

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    Re: Can majority of your clinicals be done at one location?

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbleboy
    Hi there!

    This question may have been asked before, but I was wondering about how many places you'd have to move around the U.S. to finish your clinicals?

    Is it possible to get the majority of your clinicals done at one location? (say like 60 weeks or so?). I'm applying to SABA but I've heard some students have been leap-frogging the U.S. doing 3 weeks in NY, the next in Connecticuit, then Chicago and so on. That seems to be pretty stressful to have to move around so much so quickly.

    Also, does the school arrange housing for you? Where are you supposed to stay during these clinicals if you dont have friends/relatives in the surrounding area?

    If anyone can reply, thanks!
    You can choose to do most of your rotations at Wyckoff Hospital in Brooklyn. All accept psychiatry. The reasons people leapfrog from place to place are because availability issues and quality.

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    One Place... sure

    I just got my clinical assignments (I'm in 5th semester and now starting my rotations) and they are all in one location (city wise). I will be moving to New York and everything is easily reachable. I have not had any problems with the clinical office and they were nothing but nice to me and worked out my schedule with me. I even told them what dates I wanted off for breaks/vacations. They were wonderful at working around my wants and schedule. I even set up some electives and they are also in NYC.

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    How did you do it so fast

    Icer:

    Its great to hear that everything seems to be working out so well. Of course New York is a big city and depending on where you live and where your clinicals are located you could soend hours traveling.

    Just out of curiosity. How did you get your clinicals already assigned as you claim to currently be a fifth semester student and the semester just ended last Friday?

    You couldn't have taken the USMLE yet?
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    Re: How did you do it so fast

    Quote Originally Posted by singer
    Icer:

    Its great to hear that everything seems to be working out so well. Of course New York is a big city and depending on where you live and where your clinicals are located you could soend hours traveling.

    Just out of curiosity. How did you get your clinicals already assigned as you claim to currently be a fifth semester student and the semester just ended last Friday?

    You couldn't have taken the USMLE yet?
    Some people already took the step and even got the results.

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    quality

    Quality is a huge "debatable" subject when it comes to Ross clinical rotations. It would really depend on what you plan to go into and how much "hands-on" training you want.

    For example:

    Kings County Internal Medicine (NY): all hands on (IV's, central lines, blood draws...the works!) You can work 80+hrs/week (normally 100)

    Harbor Hospital Int Med. (MD): no hands on unless you go out of your way (there is an efficient phlebotomy team available 24 hrs). House surgeon does central lines, and most nurses can do IVs if necessary.
    (work about 70 hrs/week).

    Other points to consider:

    Do you want to drive? After being on the island and not being able to drive (some exceptions of course!) most people do want to drive and live comfortably during clin. rotations.

    Do you want to fight through the rush-hour madness of NYC? Ever been on the subways during the 90 F heat/humidity/smog of NYC? Of course the subway cars have AC, but have you been on the platform waiting for those trains????????

    If you want to drive and live in NYC, have you seen the traffic? And you can't leave NY without a few dents on your car. That wouldn't be right!

    Number of students/rotation: This is a quality issue.

    I.E. Surgery: Wyckoff (NY): 40 people/rotation. EEK!

    Surgery: Huron (OH): 10 people/rotation. (sounds great!)

    IMHO, your best bet would be to find out how the rotations are at the hospitals you plan to do your rotations from students who have done them at those hospitals before. Don't just settle for what Ross gives you...after all you are paying big bucks to go to these rotations, and you want the most for your $$.

    A.

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    Almd2b:

    Isn't there an advantage of doing all the clinicals in one or two hospitals in New York so yoy can get housing and stay there for two years? If you opt to do each clinical in the best place then you may have to relocate to another city ever couple of months. That seems to be a hassle. Of course if you get into Kern the housing is cheaper, goodclimate, no traffic?
    When you become my age you will realize all of the hard work and studying was worth the effort.
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    Re: housing

    Quote Originally Posted by singer
    Almd2b:

    Isn't there an advantage of doing all the clinicals in one or two hospitals in New York so yoy can get housing and stay there for two years? If you opt to do each clinical in the best place then you may have to relocate to another city ever couple of months. That seems to be a hassle. Of course if you get into Kern the housing is cheaper, goodclimate, no traffic?
    Yes, singer, I would agree that the advantage would be not moving around. You would perhaps just get to move around NY by subway/car...I think the metropass is $70 a month unlimited rides. So it would probably be cheaper.

    Let me give you an example of what I went through:

    FP: Wyckoff in Brooklyn. I lived in Queens. We had to be at Wyckoff for mornign rounds at about 7am. So i had to get up at 5am and leave the house by 6am. If i missed the train from Queens or it was full or delayed...then I would no doubt be late.

    Wyckoff gives free lunch to all students ($4.50 i think) so food isnt' a problem. We would get to leave at approx 5pm, sometimes earlier, sometimes later. Well, rush hour in NY is from 3:30-6:30. So the subways are ALWAYS "packed" like sardines. Getting home approx 6:30 was the norm....So my day would start at 5am and end at 6pm...eek.

    Compare it to Harbor Hospital in Baltimore, IM.

    Unreliable public transportation. A car is necessary. I was fortunate to have one (but I drove it from Texas a week before the rotation started). Morning report began at 7:45 am. I would leave at 7:15am. (i lived on the beltway 5 exits from the hospital exit)...Okay a bit of morning traffic, nothing the average driver couldn't put up with. There were 8-10 students in the rotation. 2 per resident. Many opportunites to LEARN medicine. We got out sometimes at 3,4pm.....plenty of time to read, go to the gym, grocery shop, visit the harbor. You dont' have to worry about being packed like sardines in public transit that's for sure! My day in Baltimore started at 6:30am and ended at 4pm. What a difference!

    I chose to move around to do my clinicals. Looking back, I am glad I did it. Having to deal with the mess in New York just wasnt' for me. (others may argue). I needed to have a life, go to the gym, not stuck in the subway for 3 hrs a day. I didn't want to be in a rotation with 20-40 students. You would be lucky if you get to even see the attending each day. On the other hand,in Baltimore, I had the opportunity to have lunch with the program director on several occasions, a great doc, definite mentor.

    There are many other examples to give....one more, i'll make it quick. I did my peds rotation in the Bronx at St.Barnabas. The only other choice I had was Brookdale. I ended up going to the Bronx because I heard it was a better rotation and I will get to learn more. I have to admit, it was the best rotation of all 90 weeks! There were only 2 Ross students in the rotation, a total of 5 (3 were from DO schools). Living in queens, the commute in the morning by train was 2 hrs, and 2 hrs on the way home. Wake up at 5am, leave at 6am, get to the hospital by 8am. Leave the hospital at 6pm. Get home at 8pm. Try that on for size. For 6 solid weeks, it wasn't easy. I think I gained 10lbs too during the 6 weeks. eek.

    And then there was OB/GYN at queens hospital......(i'll save it for another post).....

    I hope this gives you something to think about.

    A.

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    how much real input do you have as to where your cores etc. will be assigned? For instance, my home in the US is only ~30 minutes from Baltimore, MD...how much weight do the clinical coordinators give to your preferences generally?

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