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    I know this topic has been spoken about, but I don't think it's been addressed in this way. So at the risk of sounding redundant, here is my problem with Ross.
    According to its website, Ross has a terribly high attrition rate, around 25-30% in 1996, and now it hovers around 20-25% (2003). I have read many posts that attribute this to the "lack of dedication" from its students; but as an outsider, and a premed student, I'm sorry this argument seems silly. Other schools AUC, Saba, St. George's, even St Matthews have much lower attrition rates; why does Ross seem to attract the bad apples? Also, many of you have made the argument that Carribbean schools are really businesses interested in making money. Although, I have mixed feelings with this perspective, I will go along with it for argument's sake. If Ross, or any other Carribbean school is a "business," wouldn't you be concerned that 20% of your customers were leaving after the first year. Now, by the same token, I am well aware that Ross has done an excellent job with getting students residencies. However, that only tells me that many students are weeded out, and Ross is unsympathetic to the leftovers. On a final note, I am sure that those who graduated Ross are awesome doctors, they obviously got through the grunt period, but I still need some explanations, for the has beens...

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    Re: please respond with explanations, not hostility

    Quote Originally Posted by chiefy
    I know this topic has been spoken about, but I don't think it's been addressed in this way. So at the risk of sounding redundant, here is my problem with Ross.
    According to its website, Ross has a terribly high attrition rate, around 25-30% in 1996, and now it hovers around 20-25% (2003). I have read many posts that attribute this to the "lack of dedication" from its students; but as an outsider, and a premed student, I'm sorry this argument seems silly. Other schools AUC, Saba, St. George's, even St Matthews have much lower attrition rates; why does Ross seem to attract the bad apples? Also, many of you have made the argument that Carribbean schools are really businesses interested in making money. Although, I have mixed feelings with this perspective, I will go along with it for argument's sake. If Ross, or any other Carribbean school is a "business," wouldn't you be concerned that 20% of your customers were leaving after the first year. Now, by the same token, I am well aware that Ross has done an excellent job with getting students residencies. However, that only tells me that many students are weeded out, and Ross is unsympathetic to the leftovers. On a final note, I am sure that those who graduated Ross are awesome doctors, they obviously got through the grunt period, but I still need some explanations, for the has beens...
    What is the attrition rate of the other schools you mentioned? The average US med school attrition rate can be as high as 10-13 %.

    The higher attrition rate could be due to adjustement issues students have when moving to a new country, let alone the med school education!

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    If the attrition rate is correct then maybe some of it has to do with the fact that some of the kids are accepted to especially the Jan and May semesters to fill the classes. Iam sure they made it through college by spending most of their time at frat parties and other social events including all the single weeks in places like Cancun. I guess in Domiinica they spent time on the beach, scuba diving, partying etc. Maybe if they actually spent the time studying the attricion rate would be lower then 10%.
    When you become my age you will realize all of the hard work and studying was worth the effort.
    "60 years young" another 60 to go if my doctor sons keep me alive with free prescriptions!!

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    Re: please respond with explanations, not hostility

    Quote Originally Posted by chiefy
    many of you have made the argument that Carribbean schools are really businesses interested in making money. Although, I have mixed feelings with this perspective, I will go along with it for argument's sake. If Ross, or any other Carribbean school is a "business," wouldn't you be concerned that 20% of your customers were leaving after the first year.
    Yes, Ross is a business and they do care about the profit but providing a good training for future physician is the top priority. Ross wants more reputation. Passing/failing is up to professor expectation on student's performance. Business man who run the school don't interfere with teaching/passing/failing.

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    attrition rates

    ATTRITION RATE:

    SGU 5%
    SABA 10%
    AUC 10%
    St Matthews 10%
    Ross 20-25%

    With the exception of St Matthews (which I called), all of the information I obtained was on each college's website. And to the response, that said the students attended "frats, parties, etc..." for January and May admissions, I think all of the other schools have January and May admissions. There students did not fail out. I abhor frats, so I have no reason to defend these students, I am simply trying to collect accurate data.

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    reputation

    Reputation, so far, that is a reasonable argument. Any other suggestions, on the attrition rate.

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    Re: attrition rates

    Quote Originally Posted by chiefy
    I am simply trying to collect accurate data.
    You should spend more time collecting data about your own ability whether you can handle the workload of medical school. Do judgment on yourself base on your GPA, MCAT, your determine and your experience. After over a year study here, I can tell you that there is no secret. It's just hard working. It's easy to say, it's hard to do. It's like somebody can climb the mountain, somebody can't.

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    well...

    Yes, I think it is important to have an accurate assessment of your situation (grades, MCATS, etc...) But, if you are making a 200K investment (medical education), I think it is equally important to have a clear, accurate, understanding of your options...

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    KE

    God save the Frat

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    its the rock

    I think adjustment is the big thing. the attrition rate has dropped over the years as teh island has"modernised" (dont laugh at me on this, it has improved greatly over the years,and modern is all relative!). My class had a huge attrition rate before we even had our first final exam. the other islands listed aremore touristy in one way or theother. Dominica is very "untouristy". ist very thrid world. there are people who come thinking "well, maybe I can make it if I work hard". and then they see that they have no mall, not much outside activity besides study, and they think"if this is what it takes, maybe its not for me". the island is a beautiful place, but if your idea of roughing it is staying at the holiday inn express instead of the hilton, Ross wont be for you. at my interview in detroit, many years ago, they seemed more concerned about how I felt about "roughing it" then much else. and when I got there, I underdstood why. over thecourse of my time on the rock, the island improved drastically, as did the schools facilities. I left the rock in december of 2000, and have seen pics of the place since then, and compared to before, it looks amazing! I dont buy the "party excuse" . people in septembers class partied too. I dove around 200 times in my 4 semesters. I never failed. I think the other schools are getting the same amount of "bad apples" as you say. its just they can handle where they are at more, as they have diversions to releive their stress, while Dominica for some , is a stress in itself.

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