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    Is attendance an issue at Ross?

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    Hi, I currently attend SMU. The school has a juvenile and assinine attendance policy, requiring students to attend 80 percent of classes. Should you fall short of this, they fail you even if you have an "A" in the course. What's worse is half the class cheats the policy by simply having their friend sign them in and the admin knows but just doesn't care, so only the honest people are really subject to the policy, as is sometimes the case in life.

    I was denied admission to Ross last year. Though I would like to transfer my first term credits, I recognize this will likely not be possible, given that Ross is a significantly better school than SMU. I do have a degree but my gpa is less than a 3.0 and my MCAT is in the mid-twenties. I would probably be willing to start over from the beginning, though obviously I don't prefer that. Additional factors are that SMU has lost its eligibility with Key Bank and only TERI is left which is a lot more stringent plus they don't loan enough to cover basic costs anyway.

    Any ideas on what my chances would be to gain admission for the May class with this background despite being denied last year? Also, for stuff like letters of rec, would they be willing to simply tack on my new information to my application of last year, because letters of rec would be tough to come by at this particular juncture. Any advice appreciated.

    I should add that I don't have a problem with an attendance policy so long as everyone is subject to it equally (such as with a roll call, which makes subversion by cheating difficult). But, in general, I don't need lecture and do fine studying on my own. Lecture is a major drain on my time and energy. Last term I made As and ** in courses that I barely attended at all (because the attendance policy was suspended due to several factors, not least of which was an abbreviated semester brought on by the destruction and relocation caused by Hurricane Ivan).

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    Re: Is attendance an issue at Ross?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob2k
    Hi, I currently attend SMU. The school has a juvenile and assinine attendance policy, requiring students to attend 80 percent of classes. Should you fall short of this, they fail you even if you have an "A" in the course. What's worse is half the class cheats the policy by simply having their friend sign them in and the admin knows but just doesn't care, so only the honest people are really subject to the policy, as is sometimes the case in life.

    I was denied admission to Ross last year. Though I would like to transfer my first term credits, I recognize this will likely not be possible, given that Ross is a significantly better school than SMU. I do have a degree but my gpa is less than a 3.0 and my MCAT is in the mid-twenties. I would probably be willing to start over from the beginning, though obviously I don't prefer that. Additional factors are that SMU has lost its eligibility with Key Bank and only TERI is left which is a lot more stringent plus they don't loan enough to cover basic costs anyway.

    Any ideas on what my chances would be to gain admission for the May class with this background despite being denied last year? Also, for stuff like letters of rec, would they be willing to simply tack on my new information to my application of last year, because letters of rec would be tough to come by at this particular juncture. Any advice appreciated.

    I should add that I don't have a problem with an attendance policy so long as everyone is subject to it equally (such as with a roll call, which makes subversion by cheating difficult). But, in general, I don't need lecture and do fine studying on my own. Lecture is a major drain on my time and energy. Last term I made As and ** in courses that I barely attended at all (because the attendance policy was suspended due to several factors, not least of which was an abbreviated semester brought on by the destruction and relocation caused by Hurricane Ivan).
    We do have an attendance policy here, 80%. Only thing is nobody takes role and there is no sign in sheet.

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    So the policy is purely symbolic. Very nice, and precisely what I wanted to hear.

    In my letter of denial for admission last year, the dean of admissions had written that they would be pleased to reconsider me for admission were I to do something of substance to bolster my application and prove that I am serious about and capable of pursuing a medical education.

    Hopefully they will accept one semester with a "B" average at a lesser caribbean medical school as acceptable evidence of that. All I'm looking for here is a chance, I realize full well that beyond that it's on me to deliver. And I am quite willing to start over from the beginning, though it would be nice to transfer the first term credits.

    One last thing: is this rule about repeating all classes if you fail one class something they plan on continuing?

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    yes.

    you fail one class, you fail the whole semester.
    However, if you got an A in one of the classes, you may not have to repeat it. So they give you some slack.

    fail another class in another semester, you're booted from the school, i think.

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    class attendance

    Doesnt everyone attend almost all classes anyway? We pay so much and we want to be docs. Would you want to go to a doctor that skipped a lot of their classes?

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    classes

    I pretty much go to every class but there are a few courses that are a complete waste of time. Your time is better spent studying in the library than sitting in a class where the professor reads word for word off their handouts. Most US schools have note taking services where you don't even have to go to class. Just because you don't go to class doesnt mean you arent learning the material.

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    Re: class attendance

    Thats easily said for a person that hasn't yet attended any medical school classes. I've skipped alot of classes that were pointless to go to b/c I can easily read the handouts by myself and don't need the professor to just read it word for word for me (not all of them do this).



    Quote Originally Posted by LinzV
    Doesnt everyone attend almost all classes anyway? We pay so much and we want to be docs. Would you want to go to a doctor that skipped a lot of their classes?

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    you spend 8 hours a day in class.... 6 hours sleeping, 2 hours eating, 2 hours relaxing.

    This leaves hardly 6 hours to study alone..... you've gotta skip some classes.

    One lecturer once said that to succeed in med school, you'll need to study 6-12 hours per day.

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    your missing the point

    the 80% rule is not the schools, its all about getting federal aid. tehy require it. when I was there they took attendance for physio(one of the better taught and more important classes anyways), and supposedly this was the attendance they demonstrated to the DOE for the aid. failing you for showing up 70% of the time is pretty harsh though. they never said a word about failing anyone for attendance when I was at Ross.

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    sdffds

    [quote="link626"

    One lecturer once said that to succeed in med school, you'll need to study 6-12 hours per day.[/quote]

    that is poop, i love it when professors say absolutely stupid things
    Drexel (4th year)

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