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    sometimes Ross can suck.......

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    Just an example to demonstrate why there is something wrong with Ross's management.

    I received an email from Ross last week. It stated that an evaluation form for my 5th semester in Miami (2003) was incompletely filled out. Yes, they are letting me know now (it's 2005, the last time I checked).

    I now need to call the Miami office and follow up. Can you believe this?

    This is Ross. Get used to it. I'm glad it's almost over for me.

    A.

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    Re: sometimes Ross can suck.......

    Quote Originally Posted by almd2b
    Just an example to demonstrate why there is something wrong with Ross's management.

    I received an email from Ross last week. It stated that an evaluation form for my 5th semester in Miami (2003) was incompletely filled out. Yes, they are letting me know now (it's 2005, the last time I checked).

    I now need to call the Miami office and follow up. Can you believe this?

    This is Ross. Get used to it. I'm glad it's almost over for me.

    A.
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    Re: sometimes Ross can suck.......

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    Re: sometimes Ross can suck.......

    get ready for alot more crap....

    after i passed my step 1, the told me i couldnt start clinicals till my financial aid went through, which couldve been weeks. fair enough, i had my dad just pay for the semester so i could get clinical spots immediately, which they promised.

    ofcourse 4 weeks still go by, no clinicals arranged yet. i then call jackson park hospital in chicago, they tell me they have plenty of spots, so when i call ross back, they basically threaten to withdraw me from the semester if i try to go 'behind their backs' to arrange clinicals at their hospital sites.

    so anyways i get my schedule 'fedexed' to me. 1st rotation is radiology, followed by a 4 week gap of no clinicals. so basically im doing electives without even starting a core. then i have internal medicine, followed by a 6 week gap once again, followed by cardiology (another elective).

    so basically my whole clinical experience was worthless. makse sure that when u get your clincials, u do your cores 1st and then your electives. dont let them bully u around. good luck...

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    Step 2 and cores

    Is it often that students go weeks between rotations with nothing to do because there aren't any available? I am planning on going straight through my cores so I can take Step 2 early. Am I just kidding myself or can this be done? Or will I be burned out by the end?

    Can't you plan all your cores all together before you start the first rotation, so everything will be planned? Or is it by a rotation-by-rotation basis?

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    suktinder is a rarity

    I knew of nobody who had problems like his. My financial aid was late for clinicals, but otherwise, i staretd clinical cores within 2 weeks fo getting my step 1 scores, and only had a 1 week break and another 2 week break, both of which i requested. my buddies all had pretty much the same epxeriences. Some people say Phil Perri is slow at getting you your stuff(clinical advisor in NJ). but otherwsie, no problems.

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    Re: sometimes Ross can suck.......

    Hey, this sounds almost identical to what happened to me back in 2001. Ross had promised me a spot at JPH which I requested shortly after I passed Step I soon after leaving DA. Somehow some screw up happened, as I was paying directly to the Bursar but Ross "thought" I was getting Fin Aid, which . They put my entire schedule on hold and byt he time I found out and called them, they said it was too late to get into JPH now, the next time they are accepting applicants in in 3 months. And then later If found out from Ms. Barbara Watkins that this was also a lie and that this is not an uncommon problem. So they sent me a clinical schedule to start in NY and MD hospitals, but amazingly, due to the downtime, I would have even graduated later than JPH after 3 months. I honestly think that due to Ross's incompetence I had to miss the 2002 Match because I could not graduate in time to start residency in July 2002. Fortunately I was able to find a position outside the match that started off-cycle, but I still believe my options were severely limited by Ross, and I was not about to sit out 10 months because of that foolishness. They need to get their act together. I noticed there is a serious lack of communication between their admiistrative departments (like Fin Aid, bursar, clinicals, etc).

    You know, I think you can have Ms. Watkins over at JPH work on your schedule by filling in any gaps and then have that forwarded to Ross. What can they say? They have to live by her rules, really.

    Quote Originally Posted by suktinder
    get ready for alot more crap....

    after i passed my step 1, the told me i couldnt start clinicals till my financial aid went through, which couldve been weeks. fair enough, i had my dad just pay for the semester so i could get clinical spots immediately, which they promised.

    ofcourse 4 weeks still go by, no clinicals arranged yet. i then call jackson park hospital in chicago, they tell me they have plenty of spots, so when i call ross back, they basically threaten to withdraw me from the semester if i try to go 'behind their backs' to arrange clinicals at their hospital sites.

    so anyways i get my schedule 'fedexed' to me. 1st rotation is radiology, followed by a 4 week gap of no clinicals. so basically im doing electives without even starting a core. then i have internal medicine, followed by a 6 week gap once again, followed by cardiology (another elective).

    so basically my whole clinical experience was worthless. makse sure that when u get your clincials, u do your cores 1st and then your electives. dont let them bully u around. good luck...

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    agree and disagree

    I was at JPH at the same time as carib,a nd myself and everyone i knew had no problems, but he did have one point, and that is that Ross's many departmnets, though they are frequently located in the next cubicle, DONT COMMUNICATE. so you really need to be very proactive with all your paperwork. especially as you approach graduation, you need to call them weekly and ask if everything on your file, accounts, etc is up to date and good. as for contacting a hospital to set things up? DONT even think of doing somthing this stupid. Ross pays the hospital for you to go there. piss them off, and the hospital wont want you, as Ross wont pay. Use the system to your advantage, call them frequently once off the rock, and dont go around their backs or they will be more likely to not give a you know what about you. I dont doubt carib's story, I just know it is not the norm.

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    fill in the gaps

    suktinder,

    if you have gaps to fill, get to know the clinical student co-ordinator at the hospital where you are starting. They will give you a list or let you know what electives are free during the time you need to fill. They will then send an email to Ross (i.e your clinical advisor) and set the elective up for you. They can sometimes be life savers/best friends. You can usually set up electives with them 6 months in advance if you know when your cores will be.

    Don't sweat not doing all your cores before step 2. As opposed to many, i did my psyche rotation last (2 months after my step 2) since all the psyche you learned on the island (and step 1) is the same. You should try to have int. med, ob/gyn, peds, surgery before you do your step 2. Some kind of ambulatory elective (with outpatients) is also helpful before you do step 2.

    good luck.

    A.

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    Re: fill in the gaps

    Quote Originally Posted by almd2b
    suktinder,

    if you have gaps to fill, get to know the clinical student co-ordinator at the hospital where you are starting. They will give you a list or let you know what electives are free during the time you need to fill. They will then send an email to Ross (i.e your clinical advisor) and set the elective up for you. They can sometimes be life savers/best friends. You can usually set up electives with them 6 months in advance if you know when your cores will be.

    Don't sweat not doing all your cores before step 2. As opposed to many, i did my psyche rotation last (2 months after my step 2) since all the psyche you learned on the island (and step 1) is the same. You should try to have int. med, ob/gyn, peds, surgery before you do your step 2. Some kind of ambulatory elective (with outpatients) is also helpful before you do step 2.

    good luck.

    A.


    hey thanks alot, im almost done with residency actually, was just relating what had happened to me when i was a student. i wanted to do psych for a residency, but couldnt since ross screwed me over by giving me psych as my last rotation as well. when i applied to just a few good psych programs, they said no because i had no letters of rec for psychiatry, since i was applying for the match waay before doing that rotation. when i had asked the 'clinical coordinator' (who sounded/looked like he was about 15) if i could do my psych rotation earlier, i basically got a call from you know who (i wont mention her name) telling me if i'm not happy with the semester, i can withdraw from the school and reapply.

    when i waited 4 weeks after paying cash (and passing step 1)for the clinical semester without any reply from the clinical coordinator, i tried calling JP in chicago to set up the rotation. when i ASKED ross if i could place me there, 'you know who' again threatened to withdraw me if i didnt do it ross's way. (which at this point was nothing).

    to make things worse, i got screwed with having to do a worthless radiology elective before starting a core. all my attending did was interventional radiology, he never even read an MRI or chest xray. hence i was assisting in placing greenfield filters before i even knew what they were needed for!

    this was followed by an rediculously terrible internal med rotation, where i basically ran to get xrays, bring coffee for the resident i was working with, doing useless H&Ps over and over again, while learning absoilutely nothing. never learned how to read EKGs, never learned to read CXRs or interpeet labs, never learned acid/base stuff, never leaned protocols on how to treat CHF /MI/ diverticultis/etc.. there was no outpt clinic, just months of inpt nightmares of learning nothing and doing all scutwork.


    to make things worse, i then get cardiology (forget ob/gyn, fam prac, surgery), and im now in my 5th or 6th month of rotations, and know absolutely nothing for step 2. although i passed (just barely thanks to kaplan), im sure i couldve aced the test if i had at least one decent rotation in either family pract or IM, of which most of the step 2 is based on.

    but it does sound like things have changed for the better from jim and other's experience, which is a good thing. plus most people seem to get good rotations, and a few get screwed (like myself). i will definitely agree that ross has some good teaching sites such as surgery at jamaica, trauma there was excellent, esp for step 2 (but ofcourse i had to do my step 2 before my surgery rotation, since that was my 2nd to last rotation before i graduated). also ob/gyn at jamaica was excellent, i was lucky enough to have it before step 2, they prepared you wonderfully for it. others include psych at st john's in brooklyn.

    good luck to everyone!!

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