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    MERP or St. Matts

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    I was accepted to the MERP program and also to St. Matthew's. While there exist some problems with fin aid at St. Matts I would much rather roll the dice that they will figure something out in the near future than shell out $10,500 plus room and board to take the med prep from ross, albeit a more reputable school. I would appreciate any feedback from someone who has taken a similar route. Also kinda pissed as I thought I had descent numbers (3.0 and 24 MCAT) and didnt get accepted. I know they are not the greatest hence I applied to foreign medical schools but I did not anticipate having difficulty gaining admission.

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    wow

    I am totally surprised you didnt get accepted with your stats. How did your interview go? Personally If It was me I don't think I would do the med prep. I would look at the other schools making sure that they are all accredited and you would be accepted in all 50 states before you make any decisions.

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    SMU

    It all depends on timing, and deciding whether you want to risk the FA with SMU. Personally I can comment on the quality of education from both schools since I attended Ross, and am currently at SMU. The quality of teaching at SMU is comparable to Ross from what I got from the first semester there. The second semester was a joke, I got more out of studying at the library than attending class, hence after the first mini I quit going to class (at Ross). The administration at Ross really need to get their acts together, especially when it comes to FA, registrar's office, and the NJ office. I'm not going to get into the whole Dominica issue for there are numerous posts on the subject. Now I chose Ross at first due to its reputation. Yet I see that for a school that is supposed to have a lot of positive name recognition, it has been picked on a lot (Texas issue, Kern, Jamaica hospital in queens). That doesn't mean that SMU is immune either (students there will probably have to work harder since SMU is a "new" school). My point is that Ross' reputation is not cracked up to what they make it seem to be. It is a foreign school, and so is SMU.

    The only plus would be that you have stafford loans for the whole time you are enrolled. Yet while enrolled at Ross, National Education threatened to stop approving alternative private loans to students there. So the FA situation is not as stable as it might seem (see posts on Nat Educ). Finally the medprep program...That program and BMSI seem to be a way the University can maximize profits from "Marginal" students. The existence of these programs broods mistrust from the students attending Ross, and the administration has yet to quell these sentiments. There is a cloud of mistrust that looms over the students attending Ross. That was my biggest gripe with the school. My experience thus far with SMU has been the contrary.

    If returning to the states sooner is an issue for you, then SMU offers a better option (the MD/MHSA program held in Maine for sem 4-5). If you plan on practicing in Texas, California, or Indiana then Ross would be a better option. On the other hand if you would like to obtain core rotations in Florida, Georgia, Michigan (correct me if I'm wrong), or abroad (UK) then SMU is a better option.

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    Neuro 3- yeah I was kinda surprised too as my interview went extremely well- I thought so and my interviewer said so as well asking me where I had already interviewed though he was my first interview. Juni- thank you for the advice you are certainly the most qualified to comment as you have experienced both. I share your sentiments that ALL foreign schools share a commonly held stigma that most believe the schools are second rate and you will have less opportunity. I hope and believe that my education will be suficient and that I will be able to prove myself as a practicioner and not with a document from a well known school in cold as hell New England I appreciate the help and good luck to you all.

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    Surprised u didnot get in

    Sorry that u did not get in, which surprised me with yr score. Ross might not have enough students for MERP. If I were u, i would not spend that much money and time doing MERP, but find out whether U can transfer back to Ross after U spend a couple of sems at SMU. There is no doubt that Ross is better school than SMU in Clinical rotations & residency match, but at the end of the day, all FMGs are treated the same no matter which school, depending on yr USMLE I & II scores.

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    medprep

    I had medprep while it was on Dominica. I don't know how it is now, but it was a major waste of time and money.

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    I was also admitted into the MERP program, and rejected from the medical school. My stats are identical to yours, I have 3.0 and I received a 24 on the MCAT, including other very impressive research and clinical experience, which I will not get into because I believe that there are many outstanding applicants who are either current students at Ross, rejected for what ever reason, or given the MERP option. Their accomplishments and qualifications easily off set their sub-par numerical statistics, but when you consider that the admissions committee for any given school has to review thousands of applications it becomes easier to understand why so many great applicants fall through the cracks, and why so many others who arguably don’t deserve to be in medical school end up getting in. But as one physician once told me, who served on the admissions committee for Cornell University, “son the system is far from perfect, and as the greatest dilemma known to man implies, life is just not fair". Mind you this is a man who arguably in the eyes of some applicants, held in the balance their professional fate, or at least what they claim to have dedicated their lives to. Nonetheless, the man has a point. Having personally met and worked with some of the Cornell medical students, and some MD/ PhDs, I can tell you that these people are some of the best, not discounting the fact that there are some who can be sized up in a matter of 5 minutes. That is when I would start to wander, what if I actually worked harder and spent less time hanging out as an undergrad, maybe I could be standing in their shoes instead. As Lynn Swann once said about Jackie Harris dropping a sure touch down in super bowl XIX (it may have been XIV) against the Dallas Cowboys, “every once in a while a man gets an opportunity. He may not see it coming or be prepared for it, but the real question is whether he will be able to take advantage of that opportunity when it is presented to him". These may not be correctly his exact words, but if these are not the words of wisdom then I don’t know what is. Therefore the bottom line is that the MERP program is that type of an opportunity. As a student in the MERP program you are given a core curriculum of classes, which is reflective of what you will encounter in medical school or once you start Ross. This program includes Medical Biochemistry and Genetics, and you must maintain at least 80% of your grade or you will not be granted permission to continue on to the medical school. This program is do or die and it costs 22,000 dollars for one semester. That's right, 22,000 dollars, which breaks down into 10,000 for the classes, and approximately 12,000 for living expenses. No question this is money making venture for Ross University, but it is also a no strings attached opportunity. If you complete the program successfully, you are automatically admitted to the medical program. Take it or leave it, St. Matts is likely a viable option, but taking big risks and proving yourself is what life is all about.

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    Re: Surprised u didnot get in

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    Sorry that u did not get in, which surprised me with yr score. Ross might not have enough students for MERP. If I were u, i would not spend that much money and time doing MERP, but find out whether U can transfer back to Ross after U spend a couple of sems at SMU. There is no doubt that Ross is better school than SMU in Clinical rotations & residency match, but at the end of the day, all FMGs are treated the same no matter which school, depending on yr USMLE I & II scores.
    If you count California (look at the current situation with Kern), Texas, and Indiana maybe, otherwise they are the same. SMU offers core rotations in Florida, which few if any Carib schools do. Second, Ross and SMU offer rotations in the same hospital...The difference??? You pay about $3000 more at Ross. Just FYI.

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    so where can u practice ?

    HI.JUNI...if u attend Ross, u can eventually practice in TX, ca, indiana.

    BUt if u dont then u cant ? at all?

    Sorry if its a dumb ?. I always thought u justt had to do well on your boards, get a residency, and then meet requirements for the state u want to practice in.

    So lets say u want to end up in TX. But u practce elsewhere, u cant eventually try to get into TX? ((if going to a school other than Ross))

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    you can work in texas through going to smu. Texas is on a case by case basis. The only schools you will have trouble with are CA and Kansas since kansas does not allow you to get licensed unless the school is at least 15 yrs old. CA is a definite no, pending on approval of the board later this year. So if you have any hopes of CA...DO NOT ATTEND SMU. However, that being said, i researched a ton of schools and SMU is a great school with good faculty. But there are financial aid issues and such, unless you get enrolled in the dual degree. In which case you are allowed to apply for stafford for your basic sciences. Teri is the only loan option as of now. So if you don't have a problem of not working in either kansas or ca, then apply...but if you do...then dont. And as far as CA goes, unless you are approved, there is no way you can get licensed in that state. Others go on a case by case basis. So Perry247: in response...usmle is for residency, your correct...not for licensure. Each state is different in their criteria. CA has a strict policy for allowing only approved school graduates to practice within their states. TX as i said is on a case by case basis, and SMU is also requesting a site visit from what ive heard. let me know if you have any further questions.
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