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    extracurriculars at ross. do they even count for much?

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    I understand that we need a dean's letter to move on to clinicals?

    how many 3rd and 4th year students actually did any extracurriculars during their first 4 semesters at ross? and what impact, if any, did it have on your placement during clinicals and beyond?

    I don't plan on participating in any extracurriculars during the remaining 3 semesters of basic sciences. I'd rather just concentrate on academics, and do as best as i can on step 1.

    I spent too much time doing nonacademic extracurriculars during undergrad, and my grades plummetted. I'm not about to make the same mistake again.

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    when you apply for residency, one of the things you get is a Deans letter. it is based on the letters of recommendation you had from profs at Ross, both basic science and clinical science. then the programs also expect 3 letters form clinical MDs. the Deans letter is kind of a joke. basically, they all make you sound like the best thing since sliced bread. and that includes the ones from US schools. they all sound great. a great deans letter will not help you get a residnecy. a bad one will hurt you though. the advantage of doing extracurriculars is that the profs get to know you on a more personal basis, and can write better letters then the usual generic stuff that everyone gets. when they use these better letters for your deans letter, the deans letter sounds better. like i said, this doesnt help, but it prevents hurting you in your app process.

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    asdf

    it sounds like a generic letter won't hurt. 8) If you don't do anything wrong, a generic letter is probably the worst they can do.

    Good performance during clinicals must outweigh any extracurricular activity ross can provide.

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    my point

    is what i meant was that a generic letter is like a death sentence to an app. when compared to the otehrs with glowing quotes, the generic one just seems like as if there was soemthing wrong with you, and they are afraid to admit it, and just gave you a letter because they had to. but yes, it is veryimportant to do very well in clinicals, and though these letters are more important, its not good for your quotes in the deans letter to be jsut quotes form your other letters. I am not saying you must do extracurriculars. soem people just cant do that. I am saying that soemhow, even if its just going to every office hour of soembody, get a prof to know you well enough towrite a decent personal review of your qualities.

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    what i meant was the same old 'generic and glowing' letter that everyone gets.

    I haven't met a professor who has been able to write an extraordinary letter. And I have doubts that a physician would be able to write one either.

    Before I quit my postbacc program about a year ago, I used to go to office hours a lot just so that the prof would recognize me. Even with an A in the class, I still got a pretty generic, but 'glowing' letter. It was with praise, but I'm sure any admissions committee would have said "egh... I've seen that before".

    I will continue to stick with academic, and later, clinical performance, as I am betting that no letter of rec can save a mediocre student, regardless of what school activities he has listed on his resume.

    I just wanted to get an idea of the percentage of ross and non-ross students that participate in some sort of activity. My guess is that with such a heavy workload, the majority of students don't participate in extracurriculars.

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    I'm going to have to do some extracurriculars this semester (never did any semesters 1-3) in order to have my own rotations set up in my home state that a ICM professor is helping me do. He said the hospital likes to see that kind of stuff on resumes.

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    foxtrot, i don't know if i had spoke with you before, but are you from oklahoma? and if so, what hospital are you going to try to get your rotations set up? are they your core or elective rotations?

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    core rotations.

    oh..its core rotations...Family practice definitely, I'm not sure yet about the others.

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