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    Ross website is upfront, so what is the problem?

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    I'm not a Ross student, but stumbled upon the following fact on their website: the mean attrition dropped from 31 percent to 20 percent from 2002 to the present.

    Both those numbers are way high. Higher than acceptable, I think. Point is, the school is very honest and open about it.

    I applied to SGU, Ross, AUC, Saba, and SMU and was accepted to all but SGU which is ok because I do not believe I would have shelled out that much for tuition, fine as it is.

    I do agree with some of the recent sentiments: people accepted to carib med school have not "made it" as many think, they have been given a chance to make it. What they do with it is another matter.

    I just wanted to say that I was surprised that Ross is so open and honest about the severe attrition even on their site, and secondly that people are treating it as a scandal when in fact they clearly acknowledge it on their site.

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    lost

    I have heard that we lost from 86-120 people from my class last semester.

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    lost

    Neruo3:

    When you mean lost you must cladify that most of those students are repeating the semester because they failed a class and still have a fighting chance of becoming MD. Maybe 20-30 left of their owwn accord or flunked out.
    When you become my age you will realize all of the hard work and studying was worth the effort.
    "60 years young" another 60 to go if my doctor sons keep me alive with free prescriptions!!

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    lost

    Quote Originally Posted by Neuro3
    I have heard that we lost from 86-120 people from my class last semester.
    smaller classes = good! yeah!

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    good point

    You're right. If the Ross website acknowledges attrition, then it's up to the prospective student to do their research about the school and go in with eyes wide open.

    As you say, I have not "made it" yet, but have been given a second chance to make the grade. I skipped applying to Ross once I was accepted to Saba because Saba has a very low attrition rate, a good record of students getting residencies in the specialty I'm seeking, and lower tuition.

    As a student who hasn't "made it" yet, I felt that being able to be licensed in all 50 states instead of about 40 was not worth the added risk of becoming part of the Ross attrition statistics.
    Of course, someone more adventerous and competitive than myself might see things differently.
    Saba University School of Medicine, Class of 2009
    Diplomate, American Board of Psychiatry and Neurology

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    you missed the point

    Wolfvgang22:

    The reason their is attrition at Ross is that the students that get through the system have an excellent chance of passing the USMLE and be a licenced MD in anty state.

    If SABA passes all students then what would their rate be on the USMLE which is really the important Goal.
    When you become my age you will realize all of the hard work and studying was worth the effort.
    "60 years young" another 60 to go if my doctor sons keep me alive with free prescriptions!!

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    no

    no, Wolf was right on. i think you are missing the point of his remark.

    The reason for the attrition you cite is not the reason, it perhaps could be one of the by products of the attrition but is not its root cause.

    i don't really know the reason, maybe they just accept a lot of poor students or those who are too cognitively challenged too succeed in med, but then why don't other schools have the same attrition?

    well, saba accepts relatively few for a small class size, so that's that. Sgu is the one school in the carib which has pretty respectable standards for admission, so that explains that. AUC, far as i know, is as lax about admissions as Ross, yet much less attrition, and a great track record, approved coast to coast, Stafford, etc. SMU, i believe, is as loose if not looser with admission standards than Ross/AUC and no sign of the same kind of attrition, instead they have a very healthy percentage of starting students go on to complete and attain licensure.

    So, no, this attrition is uniquely a Ross phenomenon and one can't attribute it to the grads board scores and eventual success. and even if you can, wolf is exactly right: why risk becoming a ross statistic when you need not face any such prospect, at least nowhere near the same likelihood, and all you give up in return is eligibility in a few states (and even that, at this point, looks like it could change in early nov)

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    It is because of Ross' scandal to fail people on purpose..............

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    you missed the point

    Quote Originally Posted by singer
    Wolfvgang22:

    The reason their is attrition at Ross is that the students that get through the system have an excellent chance of passing the USMLE and be a licenced MD in anty state.

    If SABA passes all students then what would their rate be on the USMLE which is really the important Goal.
    First, Saba students earn their grade, they aren't "passed" arbitrarily by faculty. I have heard that is supposed to be the case at Ross, as well.

    Second, Saba students do just as well as Ross students on the step 1 USMLE exam overall.

    There are some really good things to say about Ross, such as it's greater name recognition by program director's, licensure in all 50 states, it's long track record of excellence, etc. It just wasn't for me, because I desired more one-on-one attention and support that Saba offers. Ross students I spoke with described what they called a "cut-throat" attitude at Ross, and that sort of made me shy away from applying to Ross.

    I think Ross offers decel options for those who fail a course, a tutoring program and such to address the attrition issue? I think it's a legitimate concern for prospective students.
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    where do you get info

    Razorback831:

    Before you acuse Ross of flunking students on purpose where do you get your info. Did they flunk you on purpose? Are you a current Ross student?
    Do you know someone who was accepted to Harvard medical school but decided to go to Ross and aced all tests but still flunked out?
    When you become my age you will realize all of the hard work and studying was worth the effort.
    "60 years young" another 60 to go if my doctor sons keep me alive with free prescriptions!!

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