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    AMG's vs. us -- 2013

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    Here are the numbers!



    Time to toss out some conjectures and hypotheses to keep us calmer w/ that 1:1 PGY1:AMG ratio looming.

    What I proposed before (somewhere) was the quality of the new US schools is still suspect. Like ANY new program it would be bold to believe your 1st matriculating class will automatically compete w/ the well-established schools. And as class sizes increase, the admissions standards get less strict add students.

    I, of course, am not saying that it's going to get easier for us. However, the AMG match rate went down and the USIMG match rate went UP!!! So all of us prepping for Match, either still in pre-clinical on the Rock, getting ready for Step 1 or in clinicals prepping for Step 2's and Match... take a deep breath, realize things haven't really change YET, FOCUS and do your UTMOST BEST til you match.
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    While I did notice this trend as well, it is pretty evident that some specialties are becoming increasingly difficult to match into. EM is the one I am most familiar with and even SGU had about 33% less students match EM this year than last. I know some of it is did that many people really want EM but I know a few people who did not match into their specialty of choice and did FM or Prelim or Trans as a backup. So while US matches slightly went down the majority of them are still matching 1st choice.
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    What I am glad to see is that even with the all in rule, IMG matches are up from last year. This means that we are still getting ranked even in the larger applicant pool. The ones that would have previously prematched are still getting love from PDs. The impending 1:1 problem later this decade puts a damper on this success. AUA had a great list this year and its something to be proud of.

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    The IMG match rate went up due to the all-in policy and there not being pre-matches anymore outside of places that only ever pre-matched IMG's. Also remember AMG's that dont match are applying much less broadly and to much more competitive fields than we are. What i can see happening is AMG's start applying more broadly to things like IM instead of applying to pretty much the top programs. We will be in big trouble then. Now matter how you look at it the future of IMG's is very precarious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jackets5 View Post
    The IMG match rate went up due to the all-in policy and there not being pre-matches anymore outside of places that only ever pre-matched IMG's. Also remember AMG's that dont match are applying much less broadly and to much more competitive fields than we are. What i can see happening is AMG's start applying more broadly to things like IM instead of applying to pretty much the top programs. We will be in big trouble then. Now matter how you look at it the future of IMG's is very precarious.
    Agreed, this is the first time the all-in policy went into effect which is why IMG rates seemed to go up. All those pre-matches are now in the statistics. Also to note is US students took 600 more spots this year, and that has nothing to do with the all in policy it's solely due to increased enrollment. Those AMG who did not match will start trending towards backup specialties and spots leaving less for IMGs. While the numbers look better in fact they are misleading due to the all in process this year. The next two years will see how things will really shape up.
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    Didn't the number of overall spots increase by like 2400 and the number of new US students applying increae by a 1000?

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    I didn't want to take a big ol screen shot, however...YES

    2012 PGY1 = 24034 spots
    2013 PGY1 = 26392

    change = +2358

    And even tho EM got super competitive, what happened w/ Derm???
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    I am guessing that applicants shied away from derm due to its traditional competitiveness, thinking that they had no chance. Interesting numbers this year, though. The "all-in" policy did skew things quite a bit, IMHO.

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    Also keep in mind there were 1k more AMGs this year and their match % is still higher than 2009. If anything, with the pending changes (ACGME/AOA merger), I would not encourage ANYONE to go the islands. DO is no longer a stigma to many PDs and their match stats reflect that. I didn't really know about DO at the time, other than Ross was 20k/yr cheaper, but if I were going through this today I would absolutely pick DO over any of the big 4 and take the monetary hit, especially since Ross has gotten more and more $. There are so many advantages I didn't realize for DO that I can only appreciate after finishing. And I say this as someone who matched into what was considered a competitive field until very recently. I do not think in two or three years that I could match into anything but FM or a very bad IM program and there will be a lot of very disappointed Rossies who did everything right, no failures, comp first time pass, step 1 at or above an SD of the mean who do not match into anything and are going to be in worse shape financially than people who failed out.
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    I believe the NRMP has released a statement attributing the increased IMG match rate to the all-in policy (don't have a link right now). Additionally, they noted an increase in AMG going into primary care. It has begun..... in 5 years this island med school business will be mostly over.

    Thankfully I matched this year....

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