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    1- As you're all aware, Ross University is a for-profit, publicly traded corporation---NOT an institution of higher education. Unlike a traditional medical school, with the goal of higher education, the goal at Ross University is to make higher profit by increasing the enrollment rate and using Mediasite in order to keep minimum infrastructure and staff on the ground(to satisfy the regulators), and therefore minimizing the cost. Masquerading under the false pretenses of a traditional medical school, Ross University uses mediasite to provide distance learning programs for medicine, creating programs such as “PACE” and “Honors” in order to shunt any actual cost of running a real medical school and to prevent regulatory obstacles.


    2- There is more than $150 million a year in government-guaranteed aid for Ross. Ross represents about 3,500 students, double the biggest U.S. medical school. Federal regulators are taking a closer look at evidence suggesting taxpayers and students may be getting shortchanged by Ross. Last year, DeVry, better known for its tech training schools, reported $165.7 million in net income after taxes. But, the company also reported an additional $140 in tax-free income from the Ross operations (Exhibit 1). Ross achieves this by using medisite/distance learning to admit more students, failing more students, and by opening new campuses in order to admit more students. Again, the end result is to generate a greater profit for Devry/Ross executives, as evident by Dr. ****** ******* selling and profiting over $1,000,000 of his Devry common shares (Exhibit 2).

    3- From 2004 to 2010, Ross University in Dominica has increased enrollment from 200 students per class to over 600 students per class. During the same time, classroom size remained the same, holding a maximum of 250 students per classroom . As a result, many students, including myself, were forced to stay at home/library and mediasite. The situation became so out of control that on 8/27/2010, Ross University sent out an email, offering those who decided to postpone their education at Ross, a free tuition for one semester, sighting infrastructure limitations (Exhibit 3). In addition, Ross University created the "PACE" program, as a shunt, in order to keep more students at home to mediasite. PACE was also created to allow those in the program to be exempt from attending anatomy lab, in order to manage overcrowding . Similarly, Ross has created “Honors” program for Freeport/Bahamas campus in order to “making students responsible for their own learning” and Ross considered those who moved from Dominica to Freeport campus, automatically enrolled in PACE(Exhibit 4); in other word, to keep students at home and making them mediasite so that Ross University can effectively enroll more students, manage overcrowding, thus making higher profit .

    4- Ross University has violated the Department of Education guidelines, requiring 80% of actual class attendance per student, and have lied to GAO investigators regarding the 80% attendance. The increase in enrollment was also in violation of an agreement between the Dominican government and Ross University, for maintaining a maximum number of 270 students per class. Then in late 2009, the Dominican government ordered Ross University to reduce the enrollment to 270 students per class by mid 2010, in accordance to the agreement; this order by the Dominican government has put a limitation on growth potential for the Dominican campus and has forced Devry/Ross to consider the Freeport campus as a an alternative. Again, the goal is to increase the size of enrollment by utilizing Mediasite for the delivery of the content, as in the case of Dominica.

    5- The quality of medical education at Ross University has fallen below the standards accepted by the accreditation agencies, in comparison to all other Caribbean medical schools: For example, NBME have recently acknowledged that Ross University is at the top of the list for cheating incidents compared to any other medical school. In 2009, Ross University was reported for cheating incident that resulted in NBME discontinuing 2nd semester shelf exams at Ross(Exhibit 5). As recently as May 2010, some students who took the NBME Comp exam had access to entire questions, prior to taking the Comp exam. Many other reported cheating incidents have either been ignored or covered up by Ross administrators in order to prevent regulatory investigations. Many instructors at Ross University do not follow a U.S. based system of medical education or standards. They also do not follow the guidelines provided by the accreditation agencies across the U.S. For example, instructors in a typical medical school in the U.S. are actively involved in the student’s success and achievements, but instructors at Ross University are unapproachable.Most instructors at Ross University display a complete disregard for the student’s learning and academic success due to the large number of students, and lack of time to meet with individual students. There is literally no one-on-one professor-student interaction at Ross University. Consequently, students are forced to teach one another. This is called peer tutoring. Students who attended peer tutoring reported that they were only allowed in a tiny PBL (problem based learning) room, that normally holds a maximum of 10 people. However, they fit, on average, 50-60 people in the room. At times, students would get up on the tables in the room next door and peer in through the windows above, to watch the tutor teach. Students had to wait 2-3 hours in line just to get a seat for the tutor session and the overcrowding was so bad that students sat in the hallway just to listen. Students weren’t allowed to ask for a bigger room for peer tutoring because they were told that if the authorities found out there were so many of them meeting in a room, they’d force them to stop going since it was a ‘fire hazard’.

    6- Limited clinical spots and below average quality of clinical education: While seeking to expand operation by requesting approval for the Freeport/Bahamas campus, Ross University has failed to invest any money in securing quality clinical spots for its students. Currently, there are 100s of students waiting for clinical rotations because there are only a few clinical spots available and Ross University have failed to secure additional clinical spots. As indicated in the Ross clinical handbook, the current wait time is "variable" and it has resulted in a backlog. Furthermore, in majority of case, quality of clinical education Ross student is currently receiving is below average, as indicated by Dr. ***********, former dean of graduate medical education at USF College of Medicine, who said "The quality of clinical education Ross students get is very, very unpredictable. We've had some Ross students whom I'm told are superb, but we've also had a number from Ross who ended up being dismissed because they just didn't have it. And it's rare that any residents are dismissed." (Exhibit 6). As reported in the news “Students doing clinicals in the States continue paying tuition to Ross, which at more than $30,000 a year is comparable to that at private U.S. medical schools. Yet Ross students say they have virtually no contact with the school's faculty. That means they're on their own if problems arise”. (Exhibit 7).

    In conclusion, I am respectfully asking your committee to consider the following:is it acceptable to provide funding to a Medical school when over 60% of students are receiving medical education by watching mediasite, without attending classes? Is it acceptable for medical students to be exempt from attending anatomy labs? Is it acceptable to enroll 100’s of students without having proper facilities? Is it acceptable to tolerate cheating and to not prevent further incidents of cheating? Is it acceptable to allow Ross to enroll more students without holding them accountable for any investment in securing clinical spots for those who are currently placed in the backlog?
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    Lots of spelling errors and flaws in your argument which make me believe you are a "jilted ex-lover". I don't have time to go through line by line and give you counterpoints, I'll let someone else do that. Some things do indeed need to change, I agree with that... but writing to the DOE and putting current and future student's financial security in jeopardy and at risk? Callous. Did you ever try talking to the Ombudsman? Or even calling anyone in New Jersey to voice your displeasure?
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    Quote Originally Posted by connexity View Post
    1- As you are aware, Ross University is a for-profit, publicly traded corporation---NOT an institution of higher education. Unlike a traditional medical school, with the goal of higher education, the goal at Ross University is to make higher profit by increasing the enrolment rate and using Mediasite in order to keep minimum infrastructure and staff on the ground(to satisfy the regulators), and therefore minimizing the cost. Masquerading under the false pretences of a traditional medical school, Ross University uses mediasite to provide distance learning programs for medicine, creating programs such as “PACE” and “Honors” in order to shunt any actual cost of running a real medical school and to prevent regulatory obstacles.


    2- There is more than $150 million a year in government-guaranteed aid for Ross. Ross represents about 3,500 students, double the biggest U.S. medical school. Federal regulators are taking a closer look at evidence suggesting taxpayers and students may be getting shortchanged by Ross. Last year, DeVry, better known for its tech training schools, reported $165.7 million in net income after taxes. But, the company also reported an additional $140 in tax-free income from the Ross operations (Exhibit 1). Ross achieves this by using medisite/distance learning to admit more students, failing more students, and by opening new campuses in order to admit more students. Again, the end result is to generate a greater profit for Devry/Ross executives, as evident by Dr. ****** ******* selling and profiting over $1,000,000 of his Devry common shares (Exhibit 2).

    3- From 2004 to 2010, Ross University in Dominica has increased enrollment from 200 students per class to over 600 students per class. During the same time, classroom size remained the same, holding a maximum of 250 students per classroom . As a result, many students, including myself, were forced to stay at home/library and mediasite. The situation became so out of control that on 8/27/2010, Ross University sent out an email, offering those who decided to postpone their education at Ross, a free tuition for one semester, sighting infrastructure limitations (Exhibit 3). In addition, Ross University created the "PACE" program, as a shunt, in order to keep more students at home to mediasite. PACE was also created to allow those in the program to be exempt from attending anatomy lab, in order to manage overcrowding . Similarly, Ross has created “Honors” program for Freeport/Bahamas campus in order to “making students responsible for their own learning” and Ross considered those who moved from Dominica to Freeport campus, automatically enrolled in PACE(Exhibit 4); in other word, to keep students at home and making them mediasite so that Ross University can effectively enroll more students, manage overcrowding, thus making higher profit .

    4- Ross University has violated the Department of Education guidelines, requiring 80% of actual class attendance per student, and have lied to GAO investigators regarding the 80% attendance. The increase in enrollment was also in violation of an agreement between the Dominican government and Ross University, for maintaining a maximum number of 270 students per class. Then in late 2009, the Dominican government ordered Ross University to reduce the enrollment to 270 students per class by mid 2010, in accordance to the agreement; this order by the Dominican government has put a limitation on growth potential for the Dominican campus and has forced Devry/Ross to consider the Freeport campus as a an alternative. Again, the goal is to increase the size of enrollment by utilizing Mediasite for the delivery of the content, as in the case of Dominica.

    5- The quality of medical education at Ross University has fallen below the standards accepted by the accreditation agencies, in comparison to all other Caribbean medical schools: For example, NBME have recently acknowledged that Ross University is at the top of the list for cheating incidents compared to any other medical school. In 2009, Ross University was reported for cheating incident that resulted in NBME discontinuing 2nd semester shelf exams at Ross(Exhibit 5). As recently as May 2010, some students who took the NBME Comp exam had access to entire questions, prior to taking the Comp exam. Many other reported cheating incidents have either been ignored or covered up by Ross administrators in order to prevent regulatory investigations. Many instructors at Ross University do not follow a U.S. based system of medical education or standards. They also do not follow the guidelines provided by the accreditation agencies across the U.S. For example, instructors in a typical medical school in the U.S. are actively involved in the student’s success and achievements, but instructors at Ross University are unapproachable.Most instructors at Ross University display a complete disregard for the student’s learning and academic success due to the large number of students, and lack of time to meet with individual students. There is literally no one-on-one professor-student interaction at Ross University. Consequently, students are forced to teach one another. This is called peer tutoring. Students who attended peer tutoring reported that they were only allowed in a tiny PBL (problem based learning) room, that normally holds a maximum of 10 people. However, they fit, on average, 50-60 people in the room. At times, students would get up on the tables in the room next door and peer in through the windows above, to watch the tutor teach. Students had to wait 2-3 hours in line just to get a seat for the tutor session and the overcrowding was so bad that students sat in the hallway just to listen. Students weren’t allowed to ask for a bigger room for peer tutoring because they were told that if the authorities found out there were so many of them meeting in a room, they’d force them to stop going since it was a ‘fire hazard’.

    6- Limited clinical spots and below average quality of clinical education: While seeking to expand operation by requesting approval for the Freeport/Bahamas campus, Ross University has failed to invest any money in securing quality clinical spots for its students. Currently, there are 100s of students waiting for clinical rotations because there are only a few clinical spots available and Ross University have failed to secure additional clinical spots. As indicated in the Ross clinical handbook, the current wait time is "variable" and it has resulted in a backlog. Furthermore, in majority of case, quality of clinical education Ross student is currently receiving is below average, as indicated by Dr. ***********, former dean of graduate medical education at USF College of Medicine, who said "The quality of clinical education Ross students get is very, very unpredictable. We've had some Ross students whom I'm told are superb, but we've also had a number from Ross who ended up being dismissed because they just didn't have it. And it's rare that any residents are dismissed." (Exhibit 6). As reported in the news “Students doing clinicals in the States continue paying tuition to Ross, which at more than $30,000 a year is comparable to that at private U.S. medical schools. Yet Ross students say they have virtually no contact with the school's faculty. That means they're on their own if problems arise”. (Exhibit 7).

    In conclusion, I am respectfully asking your committee to consider the following:is it acceptable to provide funding to a Medical school when over 60% of students are receiving medical education by watching mediasite, without attending classes? Is it acceptable for medical students to be exempt from attending anatomy labs? Is it acceptable to enroll 100’s of students without having proper facilities? Is it acceptable to tolerate cheating and to not prevent further incidents of cheating? Is it acceptable to allow Ross to enroll more students without holding them accountable for any investment in securing clinical spots for those who are currently placed in the backlog?
    Got them exhibits?

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    lots of unsubstantiated heresay and some downright fabrication there, you're gonna need quite a bit more exhibits and a change in tone if you wanna be taken seriously by the big boys
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    Can you really attend Ross via the internet, or am I just really gullible? OK, I am really gullible, but how about in this case?

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    Quote Originally Posted by she_doc View Post
    Can you really attend Ross via the internet, or am I just really gullible? OK, I am really gullible, but how about in this case?
    You can mediasite all the lectures, but you either have to be on campus or if you're in PaCE you can mediasite from home but have to be on island. Don't pay attention to the crybaby, the OP just had A LOT of extra time after failing out to write an obviously very cathartic venting letter to DOE. Just another causality of Ross looking for vengeance; it does suck that at the core it's a profit system that needs to recruit a certain percentage of students who most likely won't make it to sustain a profit, but if this is news to someone after they've started then they deserve to fail anyways because they didn't do their homework before making such a huge decision. Ross is not going to whip your butt for you and definitely going to have to over come some road blocks, but in the end it's all up to the individual.

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    I've already taken step 1 and don't have rotations for another week...I'll bite.

    Quote Originally Posted by connexity View Post
    1- As you are aware, Ross University is a for-profit, publicly traded corporation---NOT an institution of higher education. Unlike a traditional medical school, with the goal of higher education, the goal at Ross University is to make higher profit by increasing the enrolment rate and using Mediasite in order to keep minimum infrastructure and staff on the ground(to satisfy the regulators)if everyone went to class for every lecture the same professor would be teaching. the staff would not change. They have built a new 500 seat classroom already., and therefore minimizing the cost. Masquerading under the false pretences of a traditional medical school, Ross University uses mediasite to provide distance learning programs for medicine, creating programs such as “PACE” and “Honors” in order to shunt any actual cost of running a real medical school and to prevent regulatory obstacles. 1) Pace is a group learning tool, according to the student handbook you are required to attend 80% of lectures, whether you mediasite or not. have you ever heard of "scribes" services in US med/dental schools? My roommate from undergrad who went to Stonybrook went to about 5 days of lecture/semester when it was his turn to scribe. 2) because you are in a teaching environment with professors during that time, Pace is considered actual instruction time as was demonstrated by the recent Cali inspection on Bahamas campus where all the traditional basic science lectures were via mediasite. Also the DOE approves PBL style learning do they not. Those kids decide which chapters they want to have on an exam.


    2- There is more than $150 million a year in government-guaranteed aid for Ross. Ross represents about 3,500 students, double the biggest U.S. medical school. Federal regulators are taking a closer look at evidence suggesting taxpayers and students may be getting shortchanged by Ross. Last year, DeVry, better known for its tech training schools, reported $165.7 million in net income after taxes. But, the company also reported an additional $140 in tax-free income from the Ross operations (Exhibit 1). Ross achieves this by using medisite/distance learning to admit more students, failing more students, and by opening new campuses in order to admit more students. Again, the end result is to generate a greater profit for Devry/Ross executives, as evident by Dr. ****** ******* selling and profiting over $1,000,000 of his Devry common shares (Exhibit 2). Who cares if a for profit institution makes $? There is no evidence that Ross fails people. In fact quite the contrary, a majority of students pass. Guess what not everyone is cut out to be a doctor. It's not the school's fault you failed, stop blaming them. This has been discussed ad nauseum (sp?) and you wouldn't listen anyway, but suffice to say it's not the school if 300 other people could do it.

    3- From 2004 to 2010, Ross University in Dominica has increased enrollment from 200 students per class to over 600 students per class. During the same time, classroom size remained the same, holding a maximum of 250 students per classroom . As a result, many students, including myself, were forced to stay at home/library and mediasite. The situation became so out of control that on 8/27/2010, Ross University sent out an email, offering those who decided to postpone their education at Ross, a free tuition for one semester, sighting infrastructure limitations (Exhibit 3). I'm happy they did that, they realized there was a problem. In addition, Ross University created the "PACE" program, as a shunt, in order to keep more students at home to mediasite. PACE was also created to allow those in the program to be exempt from attending anatomy lab, in order to manage overcrowding. Ross is considered to have the best anatomy lab of just about any medical school including in the US. They stopped exempting people from lab my second semester. They still had to take practicals, just not dissect. Guess what some US schools don't have real bodies, they use plastic fakes. Also some are totally prosected and you just come in and study. nothing different here. Similarly, Ross has created “Honors” program for Freeport/Bahamas campus in order to “making students responsible for their own learning” and Ross considered those who moved from Dominica to Freeport campus, automatically enrolled in PACE(Exhibit 4); in other word, to keep students at home and making them mediasite so that Ross University can effectively enroll more students, manage overcrowding, thus making higher profit . Again they had instructors there and went to class every day. they just media-sited lectures for supplemental learning of the material. They took and passed the same exams the Dom students did. You also have no proof that media-site is specifically for increasing enrollment. I would say I did PACE for 3 semesters and did very well partially because of that. I really enjoyed the faculty interaction and group learning style or Team Based Learning which is exactly the thing the program is going for.

    4- Ross University has violated the Department of Education guidelines, requiring 80% of actual class attendance per student, and have lied to GAO investigators regarding the 80% attendance. Student handbook says you must attend at minimum 80% of classes. The increase in enrollment was also in violation of an agreement between the Dominican government and Ross University, for maintaining a maximum number of 270 students per class. Do you have a copy of said agreement? Didn't think so. Then in late 2009, the Dominican government ordered Ross University to reduce the enrollment to 270 students per class by mid 2010, Where did you get that specific number...a "source" inside the govt is what I'm expecting you to reply with. in accordance to the agreement; this order by the Dominican government has put a limitation on growth potential for the Dominican campus and has forced Devry/Ross to consider the Freeport campus as a an alternative. Freeport was started before this. Also the DOM board didn't review the school again till my 3rd semester in Jan 2010. After that they decreased enrollment. Again your "story" here is flawed. Again, the goal is to increase the size of enrollment by utilizing Mediasite for the delivery of the content, as in the case of Dominica. You really hate mediasite...what's wrong being a mac user why you failed?

    5- The quality of medical education at Ross University has fallen below the standards accepted by the accreditation agencies, in comparison to all other Caribbean medical schools: For example, NBME have recently acknowledged that Ross University is at the top of the list for cheating incidents compared to any other medical school. Please provide reference. Yes Ross did lose NBME Shelf exams, but they voided scores when they found out. In 2009, Ross University was reported for cheating incident that resulted in NBME discontinuing 2nd semester shelf exams at Ross(Exhibit 5). As recently as May 2010, some students who took the NBME Comp exam had access to entire questions, prior to taking the Comp exam.Having taken the comp I can say they don't mess around when it comes to cheating. Some people are bad apples. BTW you also failed to mention a SMU student was the one who was originally caught with the shelf file. It's not just some bad apples at Ross, there is a bushel out there. But for every bad apple there are 100's of good apples. Again the school couldn't have predicted that. They also have instated electronic testing to more secure files and have been granted permission to reinstate shelf exam testing. Many other reported cheating incidents have either been ignored or covered up by Ross administrators in order to prevent regulatory investigations. Hearsay without any evidence Many instructors at Ross University do not follow a U.S. based system of medical education or standards. They also do not follow the guidelines provided by the accreditation agencies across the U.S. For example, instructors in a typical medical school in the U.S. are actively involved in the student’s success and achievements, but instructors at Ross University are unapproachable.Most instructors at Ross University display a complete disregard for the student’s learning and academic success due to the large number of students, and lack of time to meet with individual students. There is literally no one-on-one professor-student interaction at Ross University. ARE YOU SERIOUS?! Here is where your whole argument pretty much falls flat on it's face. 1) Every professor posts learning objectives for each lecture, these are required by Ross. Do you think the professors say hey, just pick some things you think are important? No! If people who don't think or do research on something would get their heads out of where the sun don't shine they would see those are straight off the NBME website for Step 1 learning objectives. Ross makes sure to cover each and every one of those in the Basic Sciences. 2) I have NEVER ONCE had a professor be unapproachable. I have met with them on numerous occasions be it for help or guidance. Not sure if you have a specific one in mind but they are there and have helped numerous students not just me. Consequently, students are forced to teach one another. This is called peer tutoring. Students who attended peer tutoring reported that they were only allowed in a tiny PBL (problem based learning) room, that normally holds a maximum of 10 people. However, they fit, on average, 50-60 people in the room. At times, students would get up on the tables in the room next door and peer in through the windows above, to watch the tutor teach. Students had to wait 2-3 hours in line just to get a seat for the tutor session and the overcrowding was so bad that students sat in the hallway just to listen. Students weren’t allowed to ask for a bigger room for peer tutoring because they were told that if the authorities found out there were so many of them meeting in a room, they’d force them to stop going since it was a ‘fire hazard’. I agree the rooms afforded could have been bigger. However, the school offers academic success as well as peer tutoring. That wasn't the only option. Also there are some tutoring session that are empty, it's the popular ones who offered high yield information that was valuable that were overcrowded. That's not the school's fault, they provide enough tutors and sessions that it could be evened out.

    6- Limited clinical spots and below average quality of clinical education: While seeking to expand operation by requesting approval for the Freeport/Bahamas campus, Ross University has failed to invest any money in securing quality clinical spots for its students. Currently, there are 100s of students waiting for clinical rotations because there are only a few clinical spots available and Ross University have failed to secure additional clinical spots. Funny because I don't know one person who is completely waiting for a clinical spot. Some might not be exactly what you want but that means you just wait for it or take something else. I just took step 1 on march 18th and am starting a special rotation april 11th. that's pretty good if you ask me. As indicated in the Ross clinical handbook, the current wait time is "variable" and it has resulted in a backlog. Furthermore, in majority of case, quality of clinical education Ross student is currently receiving is below average, as indicated by Dr. ***********, former dean of graduate medical education at USF College of Medicine, who said "The quality of clinical education Ross students get is very, very unpredictable. We've had some Ross students whom I'm told are superb, but we've also had a number from Ross who ended up being dismissed because they just didn't have it. And it's rare that any residents are dismissed." (Exhibit 6). As reported in the news “Students doing clinicals in the States continue paying tuition to Ross, which at more than $30,000 a year is comparable to that at private U.S. medical schools. Yet Ross students say they have virtually no contact with the school's faculty. That means they're on their own if problems arise”. (Exhibit 7). Love that you quoted a St. Petersburg times new article that was clearly biased, and refuted by the Ross administration. For your perusal (Scroll down to the letter from Dr. T.S.)... http://www.valuemd.com/ross-universi...rticle-10.html

    In conclusion, I am respectfully asking your committee to consider the following:is it acceptable to provide funding to a Medical school when over 60% of students are receiving medical education by watching mediasite, without attending classes? 1) you have no proof. Did you take attendance every day? Is it acceptable for medical students to be exempt from attending anatomy labs? Dissections and yes as stated above many schools do this. Is it acceptable to enroll 100’s of students without having proper facilities? Agree some facilities could be enhanced and a larger classroom would be nice (oh wait they did that already, along with a brand new simulation center!), but very far from not proper. Is it acceptable to tolerate cheating and to not prevent further incidents of cheating? Didn't those cheaters get kicked out and all the cheated test scores invalidated, a new computer testing center built? Did I miss something there? Is it acceptable to allow Ross to enroll more students without holding them accountable for any investment in securing clinical spots for those who are currently placed in the backlog? Again only people I have heard of getting backlogged are those who aren't willing to move hospitals or regions. Ross has more than enough spots, but people are unwilling to do what they need to fill them out of convenience.
    Ok I think I have sufficiently shown why you are just unhappy you probably failed out. Good luck with your life and remember, take responsibility for ONE'S OWN ACTIONS. Good day.
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    Anyone who is on the island now can attest to how strict the school is at enforcing a "no cheating" policy. In any institution, you're going to have a couple bad apples. The Shelf incident was such an example of this, but the problem was rectified, years ago.

    There is no rampant cheating occurring on the island (cant comment on the Comp exam). Ross takes it's honor code very seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by she_doc View Post
    Can you really attend Ross via the internet, or am I just really gullible? OK, I am really gullible, but how about in this case?
    as described no you can not. there are too many required sessions and exams

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    funny post

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