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    Do the grades matter for clinal rotation and residency?

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    Is there any difference between A students and B students for clinical rotation and Residency if they have the similar USMLE scores? I heard a lot about the importance of USMLE scores for the residency placement. But I don't really know how important the grades are.

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    anyone will tell you clinical grades mean the most. I did have a PD from an EM program say they don't really look at Ross clinical grades or basic sciences and just Step 1 and 2. they said clinical grades from Wykoff are unreliable b/c they have no clue how people are graded over there and "Everyone must be the best, most stellar students because they all get A's". Reality is that Step 1 means more than Basic science GPA and Step II CK may or may not have an effect. Definitely grades in the specialty you are trying to get into a residency will matter.

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    clinical grades are so subjective....and I've heard some far out reasons for how some attendings choose what grades to give... so your clinical grades will be determined by luck and hard work

    Id say your step 1 and 2 scores matter way more...and I can imagine your grade only matters maybe if the grade you got is at the hospital you applied to...or if you have a bunch of Cs

    Remember Ross is one of the few schools that still uses this letter grading system....the other carib schools use the pass/fail/honors grading system which is a bit more fair
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    All universities (Caribbean/US/or wherever) have institute specific rubrics for grading. During many of my interviews the impression I got from PDs was that they only cared about my Step I and II scores and how well the interview went. An 'A' at one institution may be a 'B' at another. As long as you don't have anything below a 'B' in any clinical rotation and were never required to repeat a semester and/or ever placed on probation during the basic sciences, you should be fine. A grade below a 'C' in a clinical rotation is a red flag... just as having been on probation during the basic sciences. However, stellar Step scores can be an amazing form a damage control! Additionally, you should aim to have a 4.0 during basic and clinical sciences + Amazing step scores --> with how competitive residency is getting you should strive to have the perfect application!

    One last thing --> where you get your LORs from matters. I wouldn't recommend you get LORs from Wyckoff (especially if you're applying anywhere in NYC). I had one LOR from Wyckoff... and a PD at a NYC hospital actually ripped it up in front of me and told me he wouldn't waste his time reading it. PDs know about the substandard hospitals in NYC... Especially Wyckoff! Try to minimize any association you have with Wyckoff! The only rotations you should even think about completing there would be OBgyn and Peds (unless they've screwed them up too since I've been there).

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    for some clinical rotations, eg. Kern in Bakersfield California, they will only accept students with a certain USMLE score. I think it's 210. I have seen other applications require certain scores but not so much of a certain GPA. This doesn't mean that your GPA doesn't count. Try the best you can. I think GPAs reflect more of how well a person did during med school versus the usmle.

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    To: DEQNY85, rossmd122009 and bcks

    Thank you so much for all the great advices above. I really appreciate it.

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