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    Ross not all greenbook?

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    A current Ross student told me that not all students are placed in core rotations at greenbook hospitals! I am surprised, since Ross is "top 3" and they are so damn picky about admissions. The student also told me that even if you repeatedly request a rotation at an ACGME (Not AOA) site, you still don't get what you requested and have to wait 15 weeks for a schedule change. What's the real scoop? What schools ONLY offer ACGME rotations?

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    Ross has a lot of AOA sights. The majority of Ross sites are ACGME, though. Unless you want to practice in Pennsylvania, doing a couple of AOA rotations won't hurt (California will license you if 54 weeks of rotations are ACGME- the remaining 18 weeks can be AOA if the AOA rotations are in hospitals with ACGME rotationa as well- Wycoff Heights is a hospital like this). In the majority of states, AOA=ACGME as far as licensing goes (even in Texas).

    St. George has all ACGME sites. This is the one advantage of St. George over Ross.

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    Greenbook?

    Can you tell me what exactly a greenbook hospital is?

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    Greenbook hospital refers to hospitals that have an ACGME residency in a field- hence, they are in the ACGME "greenbook". However, you can't do any rotation in a hospital just because it is listed in the greenbook. You must do your rotations in hospitals that have an accredited residency IN THE AREA of the rotation. For example, you can't do an IM rotation in a hospital that only has a FP residency.

    The majority of Ross' core rotations have an ACGME-accredited residency in the area of the rotation. The other rotations have an AOA (osteopathic) residency in the area of the rotation. In the eyes of most state licensing boards (Pennsylvania is a notable exception) AOA=ACGME as far as licensing goes.

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    for licensure in most states, if a hospital is acgme for FP, you can do ANY rotation there. the other thing to look out for is that it sometiems its easier to call the hospital and ask about greenbook, as sometimes it is hard to find them in the actual book. many hospitals are not listed by name, but by corporation, or sponsor,etc. an example that i alwsy point out is st anthonys in chicago. its a ross hospital, but isnt listed in the greenbook, but it IS ACGME. how? it is listed under the name "catholic health partners" the corporation to which it belongs.

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    Hello

    So which of the Ross sites are AOA-affiliated so we know to avoid these sites when rotations come along? Also, why would Ross have an AOA site as a rotation site if what you really need is a ACGME site? I know the previous posters stated that there are exceptions for different states regarding rotations in AOA sites, etc. I'd like to know what are the rules in my state.

    Where can I read further regarding ACGME/AOA regulations that will prepare me for 3rd and 4th years?[/quote]

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    Are you sure that you are providing accurate information re: Ross having A LOT of AOA sights. I have only heard of one. Which of the Ross sites are AOA only?

    MitchDC

    Quote Originally Posted by A.H.
    Ross has a lot of AOA sights. The majority of Ross sites are ACGME, though. Unless you want to practice in Pennsylvania, doing a couple of AOA rotations won't hurt (California will license you if 54 weeks of rotations are ACGME- the remaining 18 weeks can be AOA if the AOA rotations are in hospitals with ACGME rotationa as well- Wycoff Heights is a hospital like this). In the majority of states, AOA=ACGME as far as licensing goes (even in Texas).

    St. George has all ACGME sites. This is the one advantage of St. George over Ross.
    MitchDC/MD
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    Peninsula in NYC is a DO hospital.

    Wycoff has ACGME rotations in family, medicine, and peds. Surgery and OB-GYN at Wycoff are AOA.

    These are the only 2 AOA sights I am aware of. Everything else, to my knowledge, is ACGME.

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    get rid of non-ACGME affiliations

    A.H.

    In order for ROSS to be on the same level as ST> George it should have all of its affiliations with ACGME hospitals. Since the classes are getting larger it is probably time to get additional affiliates. Presumably the new ownership Devry should be helpful in this area since they have centers all around the USA>
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    I agree, St. George has a significant advantage over Ross at this moment since all St. George rotations are ACGME and they have "clinical centers" where a student can do all of 3rd and 4th-year. Ross has recently signed on with Henry Ford (surgery, medicine) in Detroit and is very close to getting peds in Miami (at Miami Children's I believe) and is in the process of affiliating with Jackson-Memorial for some rotations (this might just be a rumor, but I heard its true).

    While the class sizes at Ross have gotten bigger, I've heard A LOT of people have been failing Step 1 and as a result Ross has a ton more clinical spots than students right now.

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