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    rph2md is offline Junior Member
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    Memo from the Executive Dean

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    Just wondering what everyone's thoughts are on the new twist to the final examinations.

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    ???????

    I would much rather take 1 shelf than 3 or 4. If I take 3, I study for 3, if I'm going to take 1 and not know which it will be, I'll study for 3. Don't know where the problem is??? I would prefer the last test still be administered on monday, but oh well, my break is shortened by 4 days.......................

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    New exams

    I'm not sure what the grading will be like under this new system. To me having exams in each subject is one more step in my preparation for the boards.

    In another regards it takes away the opportunity to focus on areas of weakness. Say for instance my grades on the first two pharm minis were good but I was weak in Micro. Under the old system I would empahsize my studying on Micro for the shelf exams. This would allow me to balance everything out thereby increasing my chances to pass all courses. If I were handed an exam other than that I would not have the chance to bring up the micro grade.

    Grading works both ways. It's not just a matter of passing, it's also an opportunity to excel which would be taken away to a degree under the new system.

    I wonder if money is an issue here for the school. The rumor I heard was that the high cost of administering shelf exams is one reason for doing away with them.

    As a student I see myself in the role of the consumer. I pay tuition for the ability to be taught and tested in each subject in order to prepare me for the future. Taking away the final exam, I feel, serves to undermine my preparedness in that I never learn my weaknesses.

    I'd sure like to hear some other opinions on this.

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    I myself do not like the new system. The old system has worked for many years; and I believe what works is best. I do think that money is at the root of this change because, from what I've heard, the school spends close to $2,500 per student per subject exam. The question I have is, how will they determine what students take what subject exam? Sounds very fishy to me. I do prefer the old system, even if it is taught at an accelerated pace. Maybe a petition via SGA is in order.

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    still confused

    okay, so 1 shelf per student, and all local finals (the old mini 3) are cumulative? for each course? that is a big change too that nobody is talking about....

    also, what are the breakdowns for each course? if one person for instance gets the anatomy shelf at random, then that person's final exam would be weighted less than the other people who didn't have the anatomy shelf exam.

    lots of things unresolved here it seems...unless I'm misreading the memo.

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    Memo from the Executive Dean

    Is this still a HUGE rumor or is this official? Has Dean Obenshain sent out an official memo explaining the change? Before we go crazy on all of this (whether for or against), its important to know the facts.

    Remember, Dean Obenshain has a lot of experience in medical education. While it sounds odd to me, he must know what he's doing.

    Anyways, let's find out if this is a rumor yet. Somebody write or speak with Dr. Houghton and ask her or Dean Obenshain to write a memo explaing all this -- if its the truth.

    MitchDC

    Quote Originally Posted by rph2md
    Just wondering what everyone's thoughts are on the new twist to the final examinations. I can't believe that it is "pot luck" pick for finals...UNreal...
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    fact

    there was a memo sent out yesterday detailing the changes. i talked to a professor about it yesterday and was told that a big reason for the change was the integrity of the test being compromised b/c of all the cheating that has taken place.

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    total lack of respect for students

    I was just wondering why this wasn't announced sooner. I don't have a problem with the change in the testing format, whether or not I think it will work and still be advantagous to the students is not my beef. I have a major problem with the lack of respect given to the students. I think it is totally inacceptable to make a major policy change like this while the students are off island and only about a week prior to the start of the next semester. I know the schedule states the last day of semester is Friday, and the administration has every right to use the time up to Friday, but I am truely appalled at the lack of insight or respect for the students. I will be a fourth semester student and due to such a high demand for tickets, and having to schedule so far in advance, I've had my return ticket purchased since Febraury. I also have someone coming down to help me move back, and now not only do I have to change my ticket and theirs, but now they have to rearrange their work schedule and life to accomndate this change. For most students it will be only a shortened break by 4 days, but for the fourth semester students this will disrupt whatever plans they have already made for trying to get rid of their stuff on the island and moving back home. The administration needs to realize that their decisions do not only affect the students but also the students families, and changing policy in mid stream while students are off island should really be against student policy or in some sort or guidelines about how the administration can change policy. I would be more understanding of such policy change if it had been announced last semester, and possibly if a SGA or school wide meeting had been scheduled in order for the policy change and the implications of such could be discussed. This is a professional school and it's time for the administration to start acting professionally and treating the students as professionals and with respect. All I have to say is thank god I'm done with the Dominica yahoo's in August. I hope things are more professional in the clinical setting.

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    cheating

    Don't understand why an exam is changed because the administration feels the exam is being compomised because kids are cheating. If kids are cheating or getting old exams then Ross should crackdown on TA's aoor staff who are giving out the exams. Maybe they should get a heavy duty safe to keep the exams and an armed guard.

    For studentslike my son and most of the students at Ross it seems rediculous to change things. If you go and read the last quarterly earning of Devry which owns Ross you will see that Ross is the area with increased earnings. Its sad t say that even Becker which has CPA review couseshaddecreased earnings due to a change in the format of the CPA exam. I would hate to think that Devry is behind the changes from the Shelf exams due to the need for more net income.

    Its not that my son aced the shelf exams but they sure indicated his areas of strength and weakness. This seems very helpful to students. Also increasing the semester by four days makes it almost impossible for all the students to get off the island with any decent amount of time to see their loved ones unless American Eagle add many more flights. It seems like they want to give kids more time to study. Actually students are studying all semester and that has worked out just fine.
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    Exam Schedule Change

    Hello all-

    I emailed Dr Kalliecharan and asked if the schedule was true. He said that it was TRUE.

    I myself would like the SGA to get involved with this. I am not angered by the change in the examination schedule, but angered by the fact that students were not told of this news at the beginning of last semester or, at the least, not even told by the END OF LAST SEMESTER. Students DO have their own schedules.

    I admit I am scared to go talk to Dr. Kallie regarding these changes because of his persona.

    I hope other students feel what I am feeling and ask for other students' help and that of the SGA to hopefully schedule a meeting with the administration. Hopefully, a meeting will make clear to the administration that changes like this HAVE to be announced to the student body with sufficient time. Students should not be left CLUELESS to what is going on with their EDUCATION. A meeting will prevent further lapses in communication in the future.

    The unfortunate part is that I attended a SGA/administration meeting last semester where the SGA invited all students to this "important meeting" with Dean Obenshain. At no time did Dean Obenshain even hint about this change in the exam schedule. I have been on the island for three semesters thus far and I have felt a lot of frustration with how things are forced upon us both academically and administratively.

    However, I am not at all surprised by these unannounced changes.

    Does anyone else feel the same way?

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