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    moemoe95 is offline Junior Member 510 points
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    Graduation & Residency matching !

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    Hey Guys,

    I was wondering if we start Jan 2009:

    When is the expected graduation date(approx)?
    Residency matching of which year we can apply to?

    I would like also to know how much time do we get to prepare for the Step1 and step 2 ?

    Thanks!

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    You will not find an accurate answer to this question - because there isn't one. I know it's not what you want to hear, but it's the truth and it really does depend on you.

    I'm not going to tell you 'well, if you don't pass...' because you should never go into medical school (or any school) assuming that you might fail - you should not be considering failure as an option. I tell you this because people ALWAYS post 'it depends on if you fail.' Work hard, you will pass and you will do fine.

    Here's why the graduation date is a tough thing to understand:

    1) Your projected graduation date will be November 2012 if you start in Jan 2009. (For those students currently enrolled, you can find your graduation date on MyRoss/Student Services/Registrar - this is how I found mine).

    2) You will not actually graduate until 2013. Why? Because although Ross has 3 start dates per calendar year, there is only one graduation and it is held in May. Since you will not complete your rotations until November, you will be pushed back to the May 2013 graduation. This is not bad news. Medical school takes 4 years and every student in the states who starts in 2009 will graduate in 2013 - you just happen to be starting 8 months before they do.

    3) This is not necessarily bad news for you. It allows you time to study for the boards (i.e. Step 1). To graduate in May 2013 you have to be finished with everything by May 2013, which means you do not have to be finished by November 2012. I know this might sound confusing, but just bear with me. If you stay on the Ross' predicted schedule and finish in Nov 2012, you will have 6 months between finishing med school and actually graduating. Since it won't change you graduation date, you may as well use that extra time to your benefit.
    After you finish 5th semester, take 6 weeks off to study for the step - I don't recommend taking more than 6 weeks (i.e. you will never feel 'ready enough' to take the step, so set a time line for yourself. This will force you to be motivated and you won't fall into the trap of taking 4 months off - which is really cutting it close if you only have 6 months to spare to begin with).

    Some of my friends have already started planning a backpacking trip through Europe when we finish with the step. This is a wise use of the time we will have anyway - it gives us an opportunity to do something that we haven't done before and, let's face it, we're not going to have free time for a LONG LONG time after we graduate. Maximize your freedom and enjoy it.

    4) You will NOT be eligible for the 2012 match. Don't waste your time trying to get the numbers to work, adding up the weeks, and coming to the conclusion that if you go 'balls to the wall' that you can do it. You can't. Period. The reason: in order to be eligible for the match, you must complete all of your core rotations PRIOR to applying for the match. As someone who starts in the Jan term, you will NOT be able to complete your cores in time. Trust me, I am a Jan starter also and I spent countless hours working out a schedule that would let me graduate a year early. I got it to work and thought everything was great - I didn't know the core requirement and it turns out that I wasted a lot of time.

    I hope this helps.
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    First, I would like to thank you for your reply. There is still something that is confusing me:
    If we finished by the date you are saying ( Nov or May) can we still register for 2013 match before November 30, 2012 ? OR do we have to wait for graduating in May 2013 and then applying for 2014 match ?

    Again, thanks a lot!

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    You will complete your core rotations during your third year - so you will be eligible for the 2013 match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IniquityBliss View Post
    You will not find an accurate answer to this question - because there isn't one. I know it's not what you want to hear, but it's the truth and it really does depend on you.

    I'm not going to tell you 'well, if you don't pass...' because you should never go into medical school (or any school) assuming that you might fail - you should not be considering failure as an option. I tell you this because people ALWAYS post 'it depends on if you fail.' Work hard, you will pass and you will do fine.

    Here's why the graduation date is a tough thing to understand:

    1) Your projected graduation date will be November 2012 if you start in Jan 2009. (For those students currently enrolled, you can find your graduation date on MyRoss/Student Services/Registrar - this is how I found mine).

    2) You will not actually graduate until 2013. Why? Because although Ross has 3 start dates per calendar year, there is only one graduation and it is held in May. Since you will not complete your rotations until November, you will be pushed back to the May 2013 graduation. This is not bad news. Medical school takes 4 years and every student in the states who starts in 2009 will graduate in 2013 - you just happen to be starting 8 months before they do.

    3) This is not necessarily bad news for you. It allows you time to study for the boards (i.e. Step 1). To graduate in May 2013 you have to be finished with everything by May 2013, which means you do not have to be finished by November 2012. I know this might sound confusing, but just bear with me. If you stay on the Ross' predicted schedule and finish in Nov 2012, you will have 6 months between finishing med school and actually graduating. Since it won't change you graduation date, you may as well use that extra time to your benefit.
    After you finish 5th semester, take 6 weeks off to study for the step - I don't recommend taking more than 6 weeks (i.e. you will never feel 'ready enough' to take the step, so set a time line for yourself. This will force you to be motivated and you won't fall into the trap of taking 4 months off - which is really cutting it close if you only have 6 months to spare to begin with).

    Some of my friends have already started planning a backpacking trip through Europe when we finish with the step. This is a wise use of the time we will have anyway - it gives us an opportunity to do something that we haven't done before and, let's face it, we're not going to have free time for a LONG LONG time after we graduate. Maximize your freedom and enjoy it.

    4) You will NOT be eligible for the 2012 match. Don't waste your time trying to get the numbers to work, adding up the weeks, and coming to the conclusion that if you go 'balls to the wall' that you can do it. You can't. Period. The reason: in order to be eligible for the match, you must complete all of your core rotations PRIOR to applying for the match. As someone who starts in the Jan term, you will NOT be able to complete your cores in time. Trust me, I am a Jan starter also and I spent countless hours working out a schedule that would let me graduate a year early. I got it to work and thought everything was great - I didn't know the core requirement and it turns out that I wasted a lot of time.

    I hope this helps.
    Good responds

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    "4) You will NOT be eligible for the 2012 match. Don't waste your time trying to get the numbers to work, adding up the weeks, and coming to the conclusion that if you go 'balls to the wall' that you can do it. You can't. Period. The reason: in order to be eligible for the match, you must complete all of your core rotations PRIOR to applying for the match. As someone who starts in the Jan term, you will NOT be able to complete your cores in time. Trust me, I am a Jan starter also and I spent countless hours working out a schedule that would let me graduate a year early. I got it to work and thought everything was great - I didn't know the core requirement and it turns out that I wasted a lot of time."


    I disagree with that! I started Jan 07, and will finish all rotation by the end of March 09...with 2 months to spare. Also taking 3 months off to study for the USMLE's will raise some flags with residency programs. I personally know someone that just finished an IM interview and was asked why the breaks.

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    Don't forget that it takes time to complete your ECFMG certification after you finish your rotations. If you complete your last rotation by the end of March of the year that you want to start residency, you should be okay. I know people that finished their rotations in April and May and still got their ECFMG cert but it was tight. ECFMG certification is the one thing you have to have to start residency in July.
    8/16/2012 BC IM. 2nd year Cardiology Fellow.

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    So mainly to start residency:
    We need MD diploma to get our ECFMG so that we can do our residency?
    BUT as I understand we can still apply for matching without having the ECFMG certification but we can start actual residency (July 1st ) untill we get the ECFMG certification?

    Thanks in advance for all of you who are answering my questions and wish you a good luck!

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    Depends on the state. Some states (like Tx) require you to have ECFMG in hand.

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