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    What is up with the TOEFL requirement for US students?

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    While filling out the ROSS admission application I noticed that it says
    "If you've earned less than sixty (60) upper-division credits from an English language college or university, you'll need to provide us with your official record of scores for the Test of English as a Foreign Language (TOEFL). See page 4 of this application."
    I only have only 36 University Upper Division semester credits, as required by my major (it would take me 2 more years in college to randomly take the 24 units remaining!!!) English is my first language, and I've been in the U.S. Education system since middle school, do I still have to take the TOEFL??? Maybe I am missing something or not reading it right!

    This is weird, in the U.S., the only people required to take the TOEFL are the international students, who were taught in an educational model that is different than the U.S.

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    Is your first name d..r..?
    no really, i am not kidding.

    if so then how come you only have 24 credits?

    in any case, were you able to complete all the required courses with that?
    Last edited by Laconic; 10-18-2008 at 11:27 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laconic View Post
    Is your first name d..r..?
    no really, i am not kidding.

    if so then how come you only have 24 credits?

    in any case, were you able to complete all the required courses with that?
    I get that alot! a little motivation doesn't hurt! Yes, my Bachelor program only requires a total of 36 upper-division semester credits to graduate. I haven't heard or even seen anyone who actually does 60 whooping credit units of upper-division. And like I said, it would actually take me 2 more years to complete the remaining upper-division credits, that is if the university allows me to do it. (My major itself consists only of 27 UD units in additon to 39 lower-division that is part of the pre-reqs) Could it be that ROSS means undergraduate equivalent units (exempting Associate Degree Units) = upper-division units?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. George View Post
    I get that alot! a little motivation doesn't hurt! Yes, my Bachelor program only requires a total of 36 upper-division semester credits to graduate. I haven't heard or even seen anyone who actually does 60 whooping credit units of upper-division. And like I said, it would actually take me 2 more years to complete the remaining upper-division credits, that is if the university allows me to do it. (My major itself consists only of 27 UD units in additon to 39 lower-division that is part of the pre-reqs) Could it be that ROSS means undergraduate equivalent units (exempting Associate Degree Units) = upper-division units?

    Thanx,

    (not so doctory ) Dr. George
    I think you're overanalyzing it, unless you at some Online non-4 year college or something haha. I think it just means 60 plain units, I doubt they actually want 60 "UPPER-level units" cause I just looked up my old transcript from undergrad and I barely broke 60 UPPER-level cause I was a double majors in science and business, so I doubt everyone really has that many. It probably means, like you said, undergrad equivalent units, taken somewhere in the US.
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    how do you graduate without 60 upper division credits? you know upper division is any class taken 3rd or 4th year right? not just major requirements. you cant get a degree in US without 120 credits, and to complete 36 more could be done in 1 yr, you average 18 credits/semester x 2 semesters (1 year) = 36 credits. either way i think you'll be fine, if they ask explain that english is your first language. Also some people have applied after just 3 yrs at undergrad and no degree, and i highly doubt they had to take a test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottsdaleIndian View Post
    I think you're overanalyzing it, unless you at some Online non-4 year college or something haha. I think it just means 60 plain units, I doubt they actually want 60 "UPPER-level units" cause I just looked up my old transcript from undergrad and I barely broke 60 UPPER-level cause I was a double majors in science and business, so I doubt everyone really has that many. It probably means, like you said, undergrad equivalent units, taken somewhere in the US.
    That is exactly what I thought! thanks for your helpful reply.

    Quote Originally Posted by medic300107
    how do you graduate without 60 upper division credits? you know upper division is any class taken 3rd or 4th year right? not just major requirements. you cant get a degree in US without 120 credits, and to complete 36 more could be done in 1 yr, you average 18 credits/semester x 2 semesters (1 year) = 36 credits. either way i think you'll be fine, if they ask explain that english is your first language. Also some people have applied after just 3 yrs at undergrad and no degree, and i highly doubt they had to take a test.
    Every major in my university only requires a 9 UD units of General Education/electives, and 27 of actual Bio major UD units, that is it! and the other majors are somewhere around that same amount but never reach 60! (it is not some online-degree granting university, it is competitive and it is part of the U.C. system) Thanks for your helpful reply.

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    I graduated from a UC and you definitely need more upper division units than that to graduate. Remember, any upper division class you have taken counts as UD units, not just your major requirements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbk_9 View Post
    I graduated from a UC and you definitely need more upper division units than that to graduate. Remember, any upper division class you have taken counts as UD units, not just your major requirements.
    I just googled "upper division requirements" and came up with a ton of colleges who require fewer than 60 UD units, one of which seems to be UC Berkeley (not too bad of a school). It says they want 36 UD, my school Arizona wanted 42 UD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottsdaleIndian View Post
    I just googled "upper division requirements" and came up with a ton of colleges who require fewer than 60 UD units, one of which seems to be UC Berkeley (not too bad of a school). It says they want 36 UD, my school Arizona wanted 42 UD.
    ScottsdaleIndian, That is the institution I am currently attending and as you see, it only requires 36. I am just hoping ROSS isn't gonna make a big deal out of it. If they insist that I take the TOEFL, oh well, there is always SGU, AUC, Saba, and AUA. Not to be a jerk or anything.

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    good luck at those schools then...

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