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    step2 ck without completing cores?

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    Just wondering if anyone has taken the step 2ck without completing all of their cores? If so, i am planning to take the ck at the end of march '09 without surgery and pediatrics. I wont be able to finish those cores til end of july if i decide to do them and then take the ck. However, i think it would be too late for the apps. is this wise? Can i study those subjects on my own or should i wait? Thanks for your input.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teamplayer View Post
    Just wondering if anyone has taken the step 2ck without completing all of their cores? If so, i am planning to take the ck at the end of march '09 without surgery and pediatrics. I wont be able to finish those cores til end of july if i decide to do them and then take the ck. However, i think it would be too late for the apps. is this wise? Can i study those subjects on my own or should i wait? Thanks for your input.
    are you applying for the 10 match? then you can take it as late as aug and have scores back by sept in time for ERAS.

    while i didn't find surgery to be all tha represented on CK, peds was everywhere....you can still take your cores and take CK on time with enough time to prep...
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    LOL! Oh, I'm sorry..you're being serious? Put it this way: Did you pass ICM in 4th semester because of the amazing ICM sessions or because you studied first aid/packets/BRS? You can absolutely take CK without completing your cores. The USMLE exams are not tests to see if you are qualified to be a good physician, they are exams to see if given an enourmous amount of information can you use it to answer questions that can and often be misleading, distorted and unrealistic. This is certainly one characteristic of being a good physician, but there are many others that aren't represented on exams such as CK. You'll be fine. USMLE World will teach you more about PSYCH than any rotation ever could. For people who learn better by doing and not just by reading like the introverts who are scared of their own shadows but bust out 99/99, rotations can be a good tool but certainly not enough to pass CK. If your rotations are at Wyckoff....forget it.

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    you are assuming Ross will schedule your cores in time for you to take the CK?

    that alone should tell you about the educational value of rotations

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrVinsk View Post
    LOL! Oh, I'm sorry..you're being serious? Put it this way: Did you pass ICM in 4th semester because of the amazing ICM sessions or because you studied first aid/packets/BRS? You can absolutely take CK without completing your cores. The USMLE exams are not tests to see if you are qualified to be a good physician, they are exams to see if given an enourmous amount of information can you use it to answer questions that can and often be misleading, distorted and unrealistic. This is certainly one characteristic of being a good physician, but there are many others that aren't represented on exams such as CK. You'll be fine. USMLE World will teach you more about PSYCH than any rotation ever could. For people who learn better by doing and not just by reading like the introverts who are scared of their own shadows but bust out 99/99, rotations can be a good tool but certainly not enough to pass CK. If your rotations are at Wyckoff....forget it.
    i'm sorry your rotations were that worthless to you, but I would have to say my rotations helped, sure I had to reveiw, but that was just it, i reviewed and did World questions for about 4-5 weeks, but I would even go to say that if one could have a Cardio and Pulm elective under your belt too...the material that was covered in some of my electives before i took CK made the questions on those topics a breeze, both in World and the real deal.

    thte guys got the time, there is no reason to take the exam in MARCH...so he might as well get what he can out of his cores, study for a few weeks and take it intime for ERAS...

    my school doesn't rotate through wyckoff so can't comment on that, but i do find that when you have seen and managed a pt with something, be it just hypertension, or something crazy like tetrology of fallot, it sticks better than when you just read it out of a book.
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    I appreciate your optimism Rokshana but let's not get overboard. You and I both know your rotations didn't prepare you for CK. And I didn't say my rotations were worthless, I said they didn't prepare me for the CK. Exam medicine and real medicine are two different things altogether. Insurance is a major decider in treatment regimens in real life unlike the CK. The CK is filled with zebras you didn't see in rotations as well. Are you gonna tell me you had tons of experience with all those different types of cancers? You of course dealt with Dressler's syndrome in cardio on a daily basis? I know your type, you come across one question that you can answer specifically due to information you remembered from a rotation and when someone asks you later, 'do you think that rotation was helpful?' you'll enthusiastically respond, " Oh yes! I had a bunch of questions I answered just because of that rotation!". Again, I appreciate your optimism but the real point is that you don't need rotations to pass the CK. They can be helpful but by far unnecessary...it's okay to feel that rock....it's ok. Relax and let it go.
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    There were a few questions on step 1 that, had I not seen that episode of house, would not have been able to answer. Every point helps, no matter what helps you remember it.
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    A House episode huh? Thanks for strengthening my point. Good thing you were watching that instead of being at a rotation.

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    Usmle world is way more important to master than rotations to "learn more". Every rotation is not built the same, but there are wykoff 99's and synergy 99's. Study Study Study is the way to do well in step 2.... TRUST ME!
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    Quote Originally Posted by marcus "the gun" pupil View Post
    Usmle world is way more important to master than rotations to "learn more". Every rotation is not built the same, but there are wykoff 99's and synergy 99's. Study Study Study is the way to do well in step 2.... TRUST ME!
    the point of clinicals is NOT just about scoring the 99 on the steps but to know how to care for a pt...in case you forgot...and its easy to lose sight of that when the end all be all for us to get a residency IS about those high step scores...while you are aiming for rads marcus and won't actually have to touch or manage a pt for most of your life, you will still need to do a prelim year and I'm sorry to inform you, you will be responsible for pts...

    really there is no short cut to this...if you utilize your rotations to learn to manage pts, read over about the things you see on the floor, and really understand the material, you will have a strong fund of knowledge when you are an intern, and the bonus? that strong fund of knowledge will help you do well on World and wil get those high scores on CK...

    you are right though some rotations have no value and if you are stuck in one, well there is nothing you can do about that...but not all rotations are worthless and generally (though not always) you can find something in it to make it helpful.
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