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    Long island hospital (NY) vs. Jackson park hospital (Chicago)

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    Hi can someone please tell me which hospital is better for rotations,

    -Long Island Hospital in Brooklyn New York

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    -Jackson Park hospital in Chicago and why?


    Those of you that have rotated at these hospitals or have heard about them, I would really appreciate some input. Thanks!!

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    JPH

    With one former and one current roommate at JPH, let me tell you that the rotations there are a JOKE. For all core rotations, you have to go 2x/week, for 1-2 hours/day. You write your own evaluations, own letters of recommendation, etc. So if you want to go somewhere where you have free time galore, no clinical teaching, no learning, no studying b/c you have nothing to study for, and great evaluations, LOR, etc written BY YOU, then please come to JPH.

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    interesting...

    thanks for your interesting input!

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    have things changed?

    when i did medicine at JPH, we started 6 days a week at 5am, and finished at 4pm, except saturday we got out earlier. we gto excellent teaching. when i did OB, we started later , at around 7, but also stayed until 4, and got great teaching also. i dont recommend it for surgery though. that was hit or miss, depending on the work load. i had days wheer we worked until 7pm, others where we finished at noon. I NEVER heard of any rotation where you wrote your letter of rec or eval(though dr ***** would dictate your letter of rec, and then you had to type it up, for him to read it over and sign.) as for the original posters question, sinec JPH is a full core hospital, i doubt you will actually find anyone who was at both and can objectively compare the two.

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    Rebuttal

    Dear Jim,
    The ONLY reason why you worked 5 days a week, and on Saturdays is b/c you were in Dr. *****'s group. ANYONE else in any other group did NOT have to go, wrote their own evaluations, and wrote their own LOR (my previous roommate wrote a GLEAMING LOR for himself, which assisted him matching into IM). My roommate showed up only 3/12 weeks in Internal Medicine. Psychiatry is 2 days/week. Surgery was 2 days/week at best.

    Why else do you think people pick JPH? Because it is not a real core clerkship. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for days off and free time to study. However, when you these people step into a REAL hospital and have to do REAL work, one will definitely look deficient. This is the #1 reason why it makes us look bad, i.e., "The Caribbean/FMG student." Again, Ross has essentially three categories of students: 1) The Elite 2) The Rest 3) Those that fall behind/don't make it. And with bogus in-service exams and no real NBME shelf exams, there is no reason to study. Hence, the poor performance and difficulty passing USMLE Step 2. Don't get me wrong, some people do better on Step 2 b/c it's a different kind of exam. Not b/c the teaching and/or clinical is better at JPH in one group of students.

    Please, don't hate the player, hate the game. BTW, this isn't blown out of proportion yet the truth. I say the way people do it and the way it is. Kudos to you for putting in the hours.

    Best of luck.

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    Jackson Park

    JPH has only 1 accredited ACGME-program and that is family practice. By doing other rotations there you run the risk of never being licensed in many states. Off the top of my head, I know that NJ/NY require all your rotations to be done in a hospital that has either a ACGME or AOA residency in the area of the rotation being done. Shoot, Connecticut has the same rules, as does Delaware and Pennsylvania (even stricter). So by doing IM/ OB-GYN/ surgery in Jackson Park you have already eliminated any chance of licensure in those states I mentioned.

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    JPH

    yes, i was in kumars group, but the other group was definetly not doing the thinsg you mentioned. and when i did surgery and OB, we worked all the time also. psych was slack, i will admit that. so things have chnaged. as for the licemsure question, ALWAYS look at licensure requiremenets of all states prior to doing any rotation. hoiwever, I know of NOBODY who had problems with a JPH non-FP rotation for licensure, and most of them went to the very states you mention. i myself interviewed all over the country, and in not one of the states i interviewed at would i have had a problem with ANY of my rotations, including my FP in miami, which people always like to harp on also. in the end, a rotation is what YOU make of it. I teach US med studenst now, and there are the gunners, and then there are the ones who are very adept at "hiding" also. I put in the time in IM and OB and surgery at JPH because it was required. i will admit, i did more then was neccesary for psych, and in hindsight, wish i had doen even more. when you do an IM residency, you feel like you are doing IM/psych, as half the patienst you see are nuts.

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    Where?

    Dear Jim,
    Where did you match for Internal Medicine? You don't have to be specific if you want to, but regional is fine. One of my friends that went to JPH matched into Forensic Psychiatry. Something I never heard of but seems interesting.

    Regards,
    RAP

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    crazy CSI

    Dr. Leopard shark:

    Maybe its a stepping stone to a sequel for CSI and CSI Miami.
    When you become my age you will realize all of the hard work and studying was worth the effort.
    "60 years young" another 60 to go if my doctor sons keep me alive with free prescriptions!!

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    rutgersgrad, As for connecticut and NY, JPH covers all rotations for that state. Your info is wrong. Family practitioners must do these core rotations during their residency, so they are ACGME accrediated in every core. I am from New York and looked to stay in the northeast and every state in the Tri and new england would accept those core rotations for permanent licensure.

    2nd, I also went to JPH and it is totally dependent on the student. Yes, depending on the physician you choose, you will get a better education. The problem there, (as I suspect your friend is one of these) it is very easy for a student to be lazy, pick some of the worst docs and go hide in a quiet place. That's up to the student, JPH isn't gonna babysit you and shouldn't

    3rd, As for being deficient. I did all cores there except Peds, which I did at St. anthony's and was excellent. I did most of my fourth year electives (including a subI in IM) at non-ross institutions with US med students (michigan state, U of M, New england osteopathic school, Brown Univeristy, Kansas city osteopathic)and got glowing evals from attendings who were all US grads. They were more than impressed with my clinical and book knowledge and most actually began to get a favorable review of Ross. As for surgery, Jim is right, but the thing with surgery is, if you don't plan on doing anything surgical, do it their cause it's lighter and more time for step 2.

    The point of this is everything is student desire. I got to put lines in, intubate and other things at JPH cause I worked hard and asked whenever I had a chance. The reason why people flunk or do worse on step 2 is because their lazy and thats all. I met alot of people at JPH who were worthless and didn't care, OH until a month before the exam and then think Kaplan is god and will make them prevail.. DOesn't work and don't try it. YOU'll lose!!!

    As for matching, I will be at top 100 hospital in the midwest, which was my first choice.

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