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    dougmla is offline Newbie 510 points
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    PLEASE I need advice and info on Rotations

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    Ok, I am not a med student, but wife is currently one at Ross. She's entering her 4th semester and is hoping to get into Michigan for her 5th semester. So we've been apart for almost a year now

    My question to everyone that knows and can help is that I'm not clear on how your clinical rotations work? I'm sorry I don't understand anything about it and any information would be greatly appreciated, and if it can be in lamens terms even better. My wife and I live in CA, and so I was told that she can work at a hospital in Kern after she finishes in Michigan, is that correct?

    Secondly, can she do all her rotations there? If not what can she do there?

    Thirdly, I was told that you can setup your own rotations at other hospitals not affiliated with Ross, is this true? If so how do you do this? My hope was that if this was possible I was going to try and start writing some letters on her behalf and send them to whomever is the apporpriate person so they know her name and maybe it can help her.

    Fourthly, I also thought I heard or read that she has to do her CORE rotations at an affiliated site, you can't go somewhere else for those, is this true?

    Finally, the simplest question then is how many rotations are there? What kind are there? Which is core? And how long do each rotation last?

    Thanks so much for any and all help you all can give me.

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    Ok basically when you get to third year you start doing rotations. There are 'core' rotaitons and 'elective' rotations. Cores are Family Practice, Internal Medicine, Surgery, OB/GYN, Pediatrics, and Psychiatry. Her elective rotations are her choice but usually consist of either more specialized areas or sub-internships (which is kind of like being in the first year of residency for a short time in one of the cores).

    Generally, you want to do your cores as soon as possible and in a row if at all possible, because part of the licensing exam (step 2) requires knowledge of these cores to do well on. Ross has a problem with getting students OB/GYN and Pediatrics during their third year and many have to wait until fourth year to do them, filling in the gaps with electives.

    There are some hospitals which offer all the rotations. Kerns is one of these, but whether or not she can do all her core rotations at Kerns is going to depend on her board scores and a good amount of luck. Kerns only takes a few (read 1-3) students each time and in general they have 3.8 GPAs and 240+ scores, several students have been told to not even consider that the Kerns rotations even exist. The good news is it is much easier to do elective rotations at Kerns.

    While you can set up your own rotations with a hospital not affiliated with Ross, it generally isn't a good idea. Since your wife will probably want to practice in California she needs to be ESPECIALLY careful about this. A lot of states (including California) only allow you to do 12 weeks of rotations at a non-affiliated hospital and still be eligible for a license. She will also need to make sure that all of her rotations are 'greenbook' if she wants to be eligible for licensing in California and there are forms she should fill out as she goes through rotations with regards to that.

    Ultimately, unless your wife has an amazing GPA and astronomical board scores, she's going to be pretty much at Ross' mercy as to where her rotations are, but with a bit of good luck and good scores she may have a bit more control over the process.

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    Here's an excerpt from the CA medical licensing codes. You can find the whole thing here if you feel like reading for a good 4958 hours straight (Welcome to the Medical Board of California - Laws and Regulations)

    "2089.5. (a) Clinical instruction in the subjects listed in
    subdivision (b) of Section 2089 shall meet the requirements of this
    section and shall be considered adequate if the requirements of
    subdivision (a) of Section 2089 and the requirements of this section
    are satisfied.
    (b) Instruction in the clinical courses shall total a minimum of
    72 weeks in length.
    (c) Instruction in the core clinical courses of surgery, medicine,
    family medicine, pediatrics, obstetrics and gynecology, and
    psychiatry shall total a minimum of 40 weeks in length with a minimum
    of eight weeks instruction in surgery, eight weeks in medicine, six
    weeks in pediatrics, six weeks in obstetrics and gynecology, a
    minimum of four weeks in family medicine, and four weeks in
    psychiatry.
    (d) Of the instruction required by subdivision (b), including all
    of the instruction required by subdivision (c), 54 weeks shall be
    performed in a hospital that sponsors the instruction and shall meet
    one of the following:
    (1) Is a formal part of the medical school or school of
    osteopathic medicine.
    (2) Has an approved residency program in family practice or in the
    clinical area of the instruction for which credit is being sought.
    (3) Is formally affiliated with an approved medical school or
    school of osteopathic medicine located in the United States or
    Canada. If the affiliation is limited in nature, credit shall be
    given only in the subject areas covered by the affiliation agreement.
    (4) Is formally affiliated with a medical school or a school of
    osteopathic medicine located outside the United States or Canada."

    Now I'm not an expert in this, so take what I have to say with the understanding that I may be wrong. What this sounds like it means to Ross is that of our 78 weeks of rotations, 54 of them have to be either affiliated with Ross or "green book approved" (aka, have a residency program associated with it which you can find in the FRIEDA listings). The FRIEDA listing is here: FREIDA Online search. To be safe though, your wife is better off doing all of her rotations at a green book place. There one person I know of who just graduated from Ross who didn't do a single rotation affiliated with Ross. However, they weren't from CA so I don't know how that would have played out.

    There are some strict regulations about who you can contact and when you can do it from what I've been told. You may want to try to call the NJ office and talk to one of the clinical advisors to see if they can help you out at all.

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    cali has no 12 week rule. cali requires the PTAL (cali letter) for licensure , even a training license and to get the PTAL you will need to account for ALL your rotations done in the US. To do this you need to fill out an L6 for each rotation and it needs to be signed and notarized by the program director. Rotations need to be done at programs that are ACGME, have an ACGME Family Medicine program, or are a Major Teaching hospital in the actual Greenbook (yes a printed copy does exist!).

    Cores of course must be done at an affliated hopital, but electives are ok anywhere, so long as they meet the above criteria.

    it is NYS that has the 12 week rule and that is only for the schools NOT on the NYS list.
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    What do you mean by 12 weeks of rotations at non-affiliated hospitals? So if say a hospital is not affiliated with Ross, even though it maybe affiliated with another med school like Cal or USC or something it won't let her do more than 12 weeks of rotations there?

    And so essentially what everyone is saying is that the CORE rotations she must do, ie. surgery, medicine, etc... must be done only at Kern and nowhere else if she is to do them in CA? She can't do those core's at another hospital?

    Also I keep hearing something about ACGME, can anyone tell me what that is? And what that means to rotations?

    Thank you all again for all your help and info, I really appreciate it. I just want to do whatever I can to help my wife so she can hopefully do most if not all of her rotations back in CA so we can be together.
    Last edited by dougmla; 08-01-2008 at 06:01 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dougmla View Post
    What do you mean by 12 weeks of rotations at non-affiliated hospitals? So if say a hospital is not affiliated with Ross, even though it maybe affiliated with another med school like Cal or USC or something it won't let her do more than 12 weeks of rotations there?
    There is no twelve week rule according to the licensing rules posted on the state website. If you want the most accurate information, call the CA state medical board at 1-800-633-2322. I'm from CA as well and have never heard or read about this 12 week rule, only the 54 weeks that I posted about earlier so my suggestion is to call the authorities directly and don't deal with the rumors. They'll be more than happy to tell you what is needed to have the rotations count towards licensing.

    Quote Originally Posted by dougmla View Post
    And so essentially what everyone is saying is that the CORE rotations she must do, ie. surgery, medicine, etc... must be done only at Kern and nowhere else if she is to do them in CA? She can't do those core's at another hospital?
    Again, according to their licensing laws on their website, as long as rotation has a residency in that area you are looking to do a rotation in, it will count. It can be associated with USC, Loma Linda, Stanford, or any of the UC schools (or any other med school I'm missing in CA). But again, call them and they will tell you that for sure.

    Quote Originally Posted by dougmla View Post
    Also I keep hearing something about ACGME, can anyone tell me what that is? And what that means to rotations?
    ACGME = Accreditation Council for Graduate Medical Education. They are the people that certify the residency programs as long as they meet certain criteria so the residents (and med students for that matter) in their programs receive the appropriate training. In order for rotations for medical students to be considered "accredited/green book", the hospital has to have either that specific rotation/residency certified by ACGME or have a family medicine certification by ACGME. FRIEDA (see link above) is basically a database run by the American Medical Association (AMA) that maintains contact info and information about each of the residences that the ACGME accredits. If you click the FRIEDA link in the above post, you can search CA for the 6 specialties of core rotations to find out which hospitals are your wife can do them in.

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    ok, its really sounds like is for the elite so to speak...what about riverside? can ross students finish all their cores there? btw, where can I get the L5 or L6 forms? and do I have to have them filled out during cores or elective rotations? thanks to everyone who take the time to share their experiences!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    I believe I read something that Riverside, along with Kern for that matter, you have to apply directly to the hospital and I believe (this is the part I'm not 100% sure on) you have to do all or nothing as far as cores go. Riverside doesn't offer Psych or IM. Kern has them all.

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    I've moved this thread to the Ross Clinical Subforum, since it has valuable info re. clinical rotations. I placed a 1-week "redirect" tag on the main forum to direct users here. The transfer of this thread to the Clinical Subforum will prevent it from getting buried in the general forum.
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    So to follow up now, my wife is doing here "Core" clinical rotations at Synergy Medical Alliance up in Saginaw, MI.

    Can anyone help me determine if these are all ACGME approved? I was hearing that the Pediatrics and Psych rotations (both of which she has scheduled there) are NOT "green book" approved. Is this true? I can't seem to find them listed on the FREIDA website, BUT it does show that Synergy is an approved site for Family Medicine rotations, so are these covered then under that "umbrella"?

    Thanks again to everyone for their help.

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