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    Vote for the best INTERNAL MEDICINE site

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    Please cast your vote for which site you think is the best for Internal Medicine. You can add comments regarding your assessment of the clinical educational process.
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    St. John's Hospital, Queens Blvd. Now associated with Wyckoff, unfortunately, so the program might fall apart.

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    Here are the ones I have experience in either as a core student or elective student.

    Best:
    1) Harbor Hospital, Baltimore, MD. I did an elective here and learned a great deal. I got to interact with the Core students alot and saw their lectures, commaraderie, proficiency at the beginning and the end of their rotations; was very impressed...probably one of Ross' best Internal Medicine sites, if not the best.

    2) Prince George's Hospital, Cheverly, MD. Truly a US site as you rotate as a Core student alongside US Core students from Howard Univ. Appropriate lectures, didactics and plenty of learning here. Its an older hospital but at the MSIII level, excellent for what you need to know. I did an elective here but interacted alot with the MSIIIs...there is a separate medical student lounge/locker/restroom/computer room set aside for students. The MSIII didactics were open to students doing electives so I went...was pleasantly surprised.

    Intermediate:

    3) Maryland General Hospital, Baltimore, MD. Average site. Easy hours. You get what you put into it. Excellent attendings.

    4) Maimonides Medical Center, Brooklyn, NY. Didn't see Ross students there as Core students...but saw a bunch doing electives. It is a SGU dominated site with hit or miss teaching. Was very impressed with some students at the end...so the teaching must've been there.

    Worst:

    5) Wyckoff Heights, Brookyln, NY. Did an elective here. Was told it was pretty good by fellow Rossies. I just shake my head and pity my fellow Rossies, because if the electives at Wyckoff are considered "pretty good," they really don't know what truly good can be. They need to see Harbor. Core students seem to think it is okay...comparatively. After the debaucle that is Surgery Core at the Hospital, IM must indeed seem okay.

    6) St Agnes Hospital, Baltimore, MD. I did my Core here. Had a terrible time, nothing but running lists for interns. Lectures were often cancelled, feedback was non-existent, med students treated like crap from PD, provided no call rooms for weekend overnight calls. Slept in our cars. Saw no US students in the Core...only US students there were doing ambulatory from UMd. They were treated very nice. Basically, you are a slave to the Intern with learning experience lacking. The phrase "You get what you put in" does not apply here. You may put in great effort but still come out empty. I did my Surgery Core here...was excellent experience for me. The Surgical Residents sat me down and taught me more Internal Medicine in one week than the Medicine Interns did during the entire 12 week core. Electives here though, were excellent, especially Neurology.

    One advantage of doing the St Agnes Core is that students who do not do the Medicine Core at St Agnes may not do the Surgery Core unless they complete a Medicine Elective first. Although St Agnes is a Ross affiliated site, signing up for electives there have become a chore...Transcripts, USMLEs, and Medicine LORs need to be provided. (I can understand providing such things to University sites which do not have active affiliations with the school but to make already affiliated students go through this step is nothing but time consuming because you need to submit the stuff and await word for approval. We all know Ross Clinical Science Department is not very efficient so who knows when your transcripts will arrive.) Students who completed a Core there need not provide those things obviously.

    The Surgery Department should just become independent of the IM Department and take affiliated students regardless. In any case, my advice is to get the superior training at Harbor or Prince Georges and do a Neurology or a Cardiology elective at St Agnes so that you can do Surgery Core there. The Surgery Department treats their students independent of the IM Department...they actually provide teaching, lots of cases to scrub in and no more sleeping in cars (the Surgery Department has a dedicated medical student call room).

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    Prince George's Hospital @ Cheverly Maryland- Medicine Rotation is excellent, you are really made to feel part of the team and you get to do alot if you are proactive, the attendings are all very knowledgeable and make it a good learning/teaching environment. The noon lectures are excellent, and they even have some very good guest speakers come in. You also have time to do alot of reading, I would recommend the Dubin EKG book, and also reading a basic medicine book like First Aid for the Medicine clerkship, or maybe NMS medicine. They really teach the residents alot and you get a front row seat, if you got a basic board review book like the John Hopkins board review you could follow along, also I would HIGHLY recommend that John Hopkins Williams Osler's guide to medicine, it is excellent and one of the best one attending there swears by it as a good basic guide for medical students. I would definetly try to go back there for an elective or sub-I and feel very fortunate to have been assigned there!

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    Hello, I am about to sign my clinical agreement with ross, i have been asigned to kings county for medicine. However, my advisor also offered me a medicine rotation at trinitas hospital in elizabeth NJ if i turn down the kings rotation. Any opinions of trinitas' medicine rotation? I know all the horror stories about kings county but i havn't heard anything with regards to the trinitas site? The help would be much appreciated

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    This was a great experience...you have access to all the patients in the hospital with a very small amount of students (limit 6). The hospital treats you really well, very clean, residents are very motivated to teach and many lectures/conferences to attend that are educational...including designated student lectures (H&P presentations). You are q4 in terms of 'on call' and if you are proactive than you can get some hands-on learning in. Be ready to perform CPR in the ICU.
    Success usually comes to those who are too busy to be looking for it.

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    I vote KINGS for the best IM site! You will go through HELL and come back the with the knowledge GOD. You will see more variety of diseases than Robbins itself ranging from Multiple myelomas, thyroiditis, MDS, antiphospholipid syndrome, osteomyelitis, Sickle cells, thals, RA, nasopharygeal Ca, BPH, prostatic Ca, and on and on....and YOU are the physician...YOU are the one taking care of the pt..no residents...no interns...You will be ahead of the pack...
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    For strength and honor.....

    Done until I walk!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dru View Post
    Please cast your vote for which site you think is the best for Internal Medicine. You can add comments regarding your assessment of the clinical educational process.
    I think it really matters when you did the rotation.

    I personally loved my Wyckoff IM core rotation and I am going into an.... IM residency......................................... .............................
    ......but the thing is....I did my rotation a long long time ago....before it turned into a "high school playground"!

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    St. Mary's in Waterbury, CT. The medicine and surgery rotations are first-rate. Can't go wrong at St. Mary's.

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    my friend says the same thing about st. mary's. I am trying my darnedest to get a spot there too.

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