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    Does UMF Cluj's English program recognized by Cal Medical Board?

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    Hi friends,
    I'm planning to study medicine at UMF Cluj at Romania and then my residency in USA.But i have some questions:
    -Does UMF Cluj's(or any other romanian med school) English program recognized by Cal Medical Board or by another state of USA?
    (im not allowed to post links so you can type "Medical Schools Recognized by the Medical Board of California" on the browser) from that site it looks like they are only recognize the romanian programs.
    -"Institute of Medicine and Pharmacy in Cluj-Napoca"is it the other name of "Iuliu Haţieganu University of Medicine and Pharmacy" or are they different schools?

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    No. None of the English language medical school programs in the Balkan region (Romania, Bulgaria, Serbia, Croatia, etc.) are CMB approved.

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    -Does UMF Cluj's(or any other romanian med school) English program recognized by Cal Medical Board or by another state of USA?........from that site it looks like they are only recognize the romanian programs.
    DD already gave the info with a wider scope, in Balkans you cant find a CMB approved med program "in English" for now. CMB approval list inclides all of the schools from all around the world, as long as they apply for approval, yes, but those are the programs "in native language, not in English". The Romanian schools you see in CMB approval list are all in Romanian language. CBM has a more careful procedure for the med programs in English and to have approval for English programs is not easy.
    Another example: In the same approval list if you scroll down to Poland Welcome to the Medical Board of California - Medical Schools Recognized by the Medical Board of California
    and look for the school named Lublin, you will find two records:
    1) Medical Academy of Lublin
    2) Medical University of Lublin (English Program)
    Those are actually two med programs of the same school, Lublin, one is in native language and the other in English.
    Sometimes two programs of the same school take place on the same line, as in this example:
    "Jagiellonian University Medical College (includes English program)"

    So to find a program both in English language and in CMB approval list, you need to see an explicit "in English" note.
    For summaries of some schools' English programs in that region:
    Medical Schools

    -"Institute of Medicine and Pharmacy in Cluj-Napoca"is it the other name of "Iuliu Haţieganu University of Medicine and Pharmacy" or are they different schools?
    There is an inclination to name the schools with the name of the place. You can see which one is where(for any country you can do that):
    http://www.iime.org/database/europe/romania.htm
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    And what about dental schools are they included in that list or that site is only for the Medicine? If it is only for the medicine program where can i find the dental schools recognized by cal?

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    I simply dont know, sorry..

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    The diploma doesn't state whether you studied in a Romanian, English or French sections...it simply says you studied medicine at this university.

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    People keep saying that, as if the California Medical Board has NO IDEA that these English language programs exist in E-EU schools. That is a ludicrous premise. The CMB is fully aware of these schools and their added programs, and their staff specifically warn American students not to attend these unapproved English programs if they wish to practice in California.

    The people who work at CMB are not stupid. They know the difference. If the CMB officials ask questions, (and I would not be remotely surprised if they do), how should one explain their growing up in Fargo, North Dakota, as an Indian-American US citizen, and then studying medicine in Romania... without knowing Romanian? What would you do? Would you lie to the licensing board, and then try to practice with that cloud hanging over your head, knowing that if the truth ever comes out you will lose your medical license? Is that the suggestion here? Because I'm sorry to break it to you, but just keeping quiet isn't likely to get the job done. This may come as a surprise, but the CMB has computers and I am almost positive that their licensing staff knows how to use the internet...

    No, your diploma may not specifically state which language you studied in, but the CMB is very detail-oriented and they are in the business of keeping physicians from disapproved schools out. That is what they do. Heck, I have a friend who is a US grad who ran into trouble with them because of the size of the passport-style photos he sent in with his license application... when he complained, they actually said "Doctor, do you realize what a privilege it is to practice medicine in the State of California?"

    (To which I say "Good heavens, get OVER yourselves," but whatever. Lots of people want to live/work there for some reason, so they make their own set of rules.)

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    No. Dentistry is another thing entirely. You need to check specifically with the dental licensing authorities for the states that interest you, and I have no idea how that rolls. Let us know, huh?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wortkonig View Post
    And what about dental schools are they included in that list or that site is only for the Medicine? If it is only for the medicine program where can i find the dental schools recognized by cal?

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    The people who work at CMB are not stupid...This may come as a surprise, but the CMB has computers and I am almost positive that their licensing staff knows how to use the internet...the CMB is very detail-oriented and they are in the business of keeping physicians from disapproved schools out...
    Hahaha yes exactly..
    Thats so much so that, when I sent an e-mail and asked whether some schools here can be counted as exempt from approval procedure depending on some rules of CMB (yadayada, its a detail out of context), they returned with a very clear reply saying no, and ALSO drawing my attention about how its impossble to take my med education in a school unapproved at the beginning of my education and in time got approved still wouldnt make my med degree recognized in California. They are very clear about having your whole education in an approved school, from the first day to the end, nearly minute by minute

    Obviously they have already passed all of the tricky ways before the newbies do
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    Quote Originally Posted by devildoc8404 View Post
    People keep saying that, as if the California Medical Board has NO IDEA that these English language programs exist in E-EU schools. That is a ludicrous premise. The CMB is fully aware of these schools and their added programs, and their staff specifically warn American students not to attend these unapproved English programs if they wish to practice in California.

    The people who work at CMB are not stupid. They know the difference. If the CMB officials ask questions, (and I would not be remotely surprised if they do), how should one explain their growing up in Fargo, North Dakota, as an Indian-American US citizen, and then studying medicine in Romania... without knowing Romanian? What would you do? Would you lie to the licensing board, and then try to practice with that cloud hanging over your head, knowing that if the truth ever comes out you will lose your medical license? Is that the suggestion here? Because I'm sorry to break it to you, but just keeping quiet isn't likely to get the job done. This may come as a surprise, but the CMB has computers and I am almost positive that their licensing staff knows how to use the internet...

    No, your diploma may not specifically state which language you studied in, but the CMB is very detail-oriented and they are in the business of keeping physicians from disapproved schools out. That is what they do. Heck, I have a friend who is a US grad who ran into trouble with them because of the size of the passport-style photos he sent in with his license application... when he complained, they actually said "Doctor, do you realize what a privilege it is to practice medicine in the State of California?"

    (To which I say "Good heavens, get OVER yourselves," but whatever. Lots of people want to live/work there for some reason, so they make their own set of rules.)
    Seriously...calm down, did you really think i am advising him to come over here and invest 6 years of his life in a school whose English programs aren't approved, just because the diploma doesn't state so? Since he/she is even thinking about going into a medical school then i believe he/she is mature enough to make own decisions and i don't think anybody with a working brain would take chances on this loophole and hope he/she won't get caught.

    As explaining to the boards, it takes about 6 months to become fluent in a romance language for most of the people. I have 2 ex-class mates who left off the first semester and studied Romanian language for 6 months straight to then switch to the Romanian section. By the time they switched i couldn't tell them apart form Romanians judging their speaking and writing level.


    In all seriousness, i just told him the facts and he will go from there and make a decision. You can't tell someone the bad sides only, you have also to tell him the good sides and let him judge for himself.

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