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    Looking into the University of Cluj for medicine

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    Hey guys i'm new here and am looking for some information on the University of Cluj medicine.

    First of all I am a Canadian resident and lived in Canada all my life. I have the ability to go to medical schools here but I really don't want to do a bachelors degree first and than during my 3rd year write the MCAT exam and than after all of that finally find out if I got accepted or not. I like the 6 year program method more than North American ways because I get 2 years that I don't need to spend studying and can start on my residency. As my background is Romanian and I have family in Cluj, medical school at Cluj looks very appealing but I would like to know some things first. Hopefully some of you can help me out.

    1) I read that their facilities are modernized but what about the education? If I apply to the English program, would I be getting the same quality education there as I would if I would go somewhere in Canada or the States?

    2) Would my diploma be recognized on Canada and the United States? Or would I just be wasting my time? Also if its different from state to state or province to province, where can I find the information of which provinces and states I can practice medicine?

    3) I want to come back to Canada or the States to do my residency, would I be at a disadvantage in getting in good hospitals for residency because I studied in an another country? Do they favour American or Canadian schools over others?

    The main reason i'm looking into Romania is because of the cheaper university prices, I don't want to be in a big hole when I finish university, but if it doesn't help me in the long run with residency and stuff I'll stay in Canada. I just want to know that I'm not screwing myself over by taking the cheep way to becoming a doctor.

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    Zoragon hi

    First I will sweep the rattatats of the question, the well-known part.. the precise info comes from others:

    1) I read that their facilities are modernized but what about the education? If I apply to the English program, would I be getting the same quality education there as I would if I would go somewhere in Canada or the States?

    Unfortunately, generally speaking, no.

    2) Would my diploma be recognized on Canada and the United States? Or would I just be wasting my time? Also if its different from state to state or province to province, where can I find the information of which provinces and states I can practice medicine?
    I dont know the Canada part.. but in US yes its recognized:
    https://imed.faimer.org/results.asp?...name=&psize=25

    But its not recognized in some states.. because some states are not satisfied with the nationwide criteria and developed their own more over it.. California Medical Board has its own approval list, and some other states adopts that list.. and Cluj-English med program isnt among them:
    Welcome to the Medical Board of California - Medical Schools Recognized by the Medical Board of California

    Actually none of the Romanian med schools' English med program are recognized by California and those follower states..

    To understand clearly which state has which criteria (because it changes from one to another) you may want to look at the medical boards websites:
    http://www.fsmb.org/directory_smb.html
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    This part is what once a moderator said in another thread.. may be useful for you too:

    For starters, California is the only State that Approves/Disapproves Foreign Med Schools. The California Medical Board visits these schools, and based on their research, and observations...... they then Approve or Disapprove that School. Other State Medical Boards do not have these resources, therefore choose to adopt the California List, and follow their lead.

    The rest of the State Medical Boards use the IMED List. Therefore if your school is IMED listed, as Windsor is....... then you can practice in the majority of the states.

    Another misconception with "approvals" is that many IMG Med Students assume that New York and Florida approval, deals with Licensure, but in fact it has nothing to do with Licensure. Those two State approvals are Strictly for Clinical Rotations. The Florida Approval is not even managed by the Florida Medical Board, instead its managed by the Florida Department of Education. NY and FL's requirement for Licensure, is that your school must be IMED listed.

    New York Approval = You can do an unlimited amount of clinical rotations in the state of NY
    Without New York Approval = You can ONLY do a MAXIMUM of 12 weeks of rotations

    Florida Approval = You can do an unlimited amount of clinical rotations in the state of FL
    Without Florida Approval = You can't do ANY clinical rotations there.

    BUT....... you can Get Licensed in those states

    Texas and Nevada are case by case scenarios for IMG's.

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    And this is what Conway said in another thread(though to me the number of states adopting CMB approval list are more):

    From what I've read online, these states follow the California list: Texas, Idaho, Vermont, Indiana
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    3) I want to come back to Canada or the States to do my residency, would I be at a disadvantage in getting in good hospitals for residency because I studied in an another country? Do they favour American or Canadian schools over others?
    To my knowledge the non-US/non-Canadian schools are disadventageous by this regard.. at least for US, as long as a school is not a US med school (or Canadian), or one of those creme de la creme schools like Heidelberg, Karolinska, Oxford etc. all others are in the same pot.. but still among them some are taking a step forward: Charles 1st Faculty in Czezh, Semmelweis in Hungary, Jagiellonian in Poland are most prominent.. also they have affiliation for clerkship (or only rotations.. I am not sure?) .. also Lublin and Lodz as well have affiliations with US schools to transfer students for rotation and/or clerkship.. there may be others as well..

    The main reason i'm looking into Romania is because of the cheaper university prices, I don't want to be in a big hole when I finish university, but if it doesn't help me in the long run with residency and stuff I'll stay in Canada. I just want to know that I'm not screwing myself over by taking the cheep way to becoming a doctor.

    Except Charles in Czezh, others are still better by that respect.. still you must check their websites' tuition pages all one by one.. some offer special gestures, like prize for the bests or deiscount for first %xx for instance..

    Hope this helps a bit.. you're among friend, anytime ask whatever you like .. but for Canada part I'm not useful..
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    Thanks bidiboom. That was very informative.

    In terms of Canada, I'd assume that it's similar to the States that's why I paired them together.

    One more question. If you were in my position, would you stay in north America for schooling? In the long run, would the big hole in my wallet and big debt help me? Be more advantageous if I want to do my profession in the states or Canada? I don't want to go to a foreign country if I can't practice.

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    As far as the US goes, if it's strictly a numbers game for you I think it's very likely you'll have greater earnings potential with the Canadian degree. You'll likely have more residencies to choose from including those specialties that tend to bring in more money. I'd very strongly assume the same goes for Canada. Afterall, if you're taking out all those loans to bring in the same amount of money that someone from Romania is likely to command... then what's the point of the (very overpriced) Canadian medical schools?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zoragon View Post
    Thanks bidiboom. That was very informative.

    In terms of Canada, I'd assume that it's similar to the States that's why I paired them together.

    One more question. If you were in my position, would you stay in north America for schooling? In the long run, would the big hole in my wallet and big debt help me? Be more advantageous if I want to do my profession in the states or Canada? I don't want to go to a foreign country if I can't practice.
    You know what, the person that will answer this question is not me.. I have an idea, but its hanging in the air.. other friends who are more related with this point and knows more are replying, as it is..

    Said that, if I would be in your position, I would talk with Devildoc8404 as well..

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