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    Nuna is offline Newbie 511 points
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    About Cluj med school

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    Hello!!
    I just got admitted to the med school of Cluj (Iuliu Hatieganu-french section) but i'm a little worried : is the programme any good? can i trust the formation in this faculty??
    Do you know if there's any difference between the french, the english, and the romanian section?
    I heard some student saying that the french section is not that good, is that true?

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    English (or foreign programs for that matter) are always almost the same on paper with the native ones. But in practical terms it is always different no matter where you go in E-EU, from C. Republic to Romania, and almost always for worse. But you can generally make up for the inefficiencies of the system on your own, unless the barriers go beyond your control like if you are in a country where they hardly let you touch patients because you're a foreigner (which doesn't happen in Romania anyway).

    Besides, Cluj is probably the most westernized med school in Romania, and probably the best one regarding infrastructures, lab materials, international projection etc. It also has very good hospitals. You will do fine there.

    PS: On a side note, if you are not satisfied with the system and you speak a Latin-derived language, you will be able to learn Romanian quickly if you work hard and then transfer to the native section (Romanian) when you feel ready to do so. This is something hardly available to students on other countries, mainly because of the language barrier. Transferring out to another med school is also easy for what I've heard.
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    ClujDDS is offline Junior Member 512 points
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    Cluj is a fine university. There is something you need to understand; you can graduate from Cluj and suck as a doctor, you can also graduate from Harvard and suck as a doctor....medicine is something you teach yourself and unless you are commited to what is being taught then you'll have problems once you graduate. Don't let university rankings fool you because they're ranked according to donations and research, which is useless unless you're into a research field.

    Now, I study in Cluj and i love it. Honestly, i wouldn't swap my place for any other University. Some people say that the french section isn't good but i disagree...it's the students who are not good and they drag down it's reputation. If you happen to study good enough and take your studies seriously then you'll be as good as anyone. The only thing you need to watch out is not to fall for peer pressure of the bad students.

    As for the difference between the Romanian, English and French section, they are all the same but since Romanians pay less fees and live in hard conditions then they're hard workers and failing is no option for them...they're more conservative and tend to stick to those old manner of tough discipline in med-schools and strict rules. The English section is the most liberal of all of them and here is where you find all the rich kids who don't mind about failing and paying to pass...but then again that doesn't last longer since UMF-Cluj has toughened the system in both admission and school regulation. The french section is another story.

    Finally, i can guarantee you that you either will love Cluj or hate it to death.The city has a western culture and sometime i even forget i am in Romania, people are nice and things are cheap...but much cheaper in other places.

    Goodluck

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClujDDS View Post
    Cluj is a fine university. There is something you need to understand; you can graduate from Cluj and suck as a doctor, you can also graduate from Harvard and suck as a doctor....medicine is something you teach yourself and unless you are commited to what is being taught then you'll have problems once you graduate. Don't let university rankings fool you because they're ranked according to donations and research, which is useless unless you're into a research field.

    Now, I study in Cluj and i love it. Honestly, i wouldn't swap my place for any other University. Some people say that the french section isn't good but i disagree...it's the students who are not good and they drag down it's reputation. If you happen to study good enough and take your studies seriously then you'll be as good as anyone. The only thing you need to watch out is not to fall for peer pressure of the bad students.

    As for the difference between the Romanian, English and French section, they are all the same but since Romanians pay less fees and live in hard conditions then they're hard workers and failing is no option for them...they're more conservative and tend to stick to those old manner of tough discipline in med-schools and strict rules. The English section is the most liberal of all of them and here is where you find all the rich kids who don't mind about failing and paying to pass...but then again that doesn't last longer since UMF-Cluj has toughened the system in both admission and school regulation. The french section is another story.

    Finally, i can guarantee you that you either will love Cluj or hate it to death.The city has a western culture and sometime i even forget i am in Romania, people are nice and things are cheap...but much cheaper in other places.

    Goodluck
    How about clinical aspect, ClujDDS? Can you have hands-on experince(how much) and develop your clinical skills? How would you grade Cluj by that respect, say for instance,over 10? Can you share your personal experinces about this point, and your ovservations all, and give us some insight?

    Thanks a lot for all the info you shared.. they sound genuine

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    ClujDDS is offline Junior Member 512 points
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    Quote Originally Posted by bidiboom View Post
    How about clinical aspect, ClujDDS? Can you have hands-on experince(how much) and develop your clinical skills? How would you grade Cluj by that respect, say for instance,over 10? Can you share your personal experinces about this point, and your ovservations all, and give us some insight?

    Thanks a lot for all the info you shared.. they sound genuine
    No problem The Clinical aspect in Cluj starts seriously after the 3rd year because you spent most of your day in a hospital following or working on your own cases and getting some help from an attending. Since i am still in the pre-clinical years i can't command on the environment and hands-on inside the hospitals but all i know is that there is enough knowledge to pick up from those places if you learn the language well enough. There are a lot of people seeking for care there and it's easy to work on a lot of cases if you prefer, which in return gives you experience. My friends who study in 4th and 5th years are always working at the hospitals and they usually come back to our department during research time and reporting cases and as well as being tested on those cases. During the pre-clinical years, you will be forced to study your *** off because the theoretical aspect of medical school is very important in Eastern-Europe compared to most of the western countries, including mine, where the practical weighs higher. If you start there, prepare 3 years of painful reading and memorizing.

    Now, people from the English/French - section usually go back to their home countries to practice without enough knowledge on the clinical aspect. The reason to this is that they don't study the language well enough during the pre-clinical years, which causes difficulties to get the info out of patients once they start working at the hospitals. When they get home...they're often criticised for being "bad" doctors because of this. Personally, i believe that knowledge and hands-on doctor and patient contact can be achieved along during practice once you start working in an environment where you can extract information out of the patients without any language barrier so this is not a problem to me. Practice makes perfect. Regarding the language, i think it's not easy to learn a language off-on every 3 months. During the first years there is hardly any time left to have some hobbies and some people like myself prioritize subjects like Anatomy way higher than Romanian. When we have vacation then everybody goes back home....meaning that when we get back, all the romanian we know is on a critical level. In this country it's even hard to find Romanian friends, not because we don't want to, but because of the socio-economical differences.

    I wish i could rate Cluj on a 10 scale, unfortunately i haven't experienced the clinical part yet. But if i rate according to how i see my friends doing...then it could easily be an 8/10. The reason i give of the 8 is because i hate the Romanian bureaucracy, strict attending and poor environments that can be seen in some few hospitals. On the knowledge to pick up from these hospitals then i give it a 9/10 because if you know the language, there are enough people and cases to pick up.

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    Thanks a lot for your help and your answers.

    ClujDDS i think you're right about "medicine [being] something you teach yourself".
    I asked this question about Cluj because I heard a lot about people who paid the teachers and corruption in this university and i was a little scared that it would affect the
    quality of the diploma.
    I have another question about residency this time, i see in the list of the english section that most of the admitted students are from germany, sweden, US and UK.
    So I guess that this students would go back to their country for residency. I know that french students have to pass a national exam which will determine the hospitals and
    specialties they can apply to. But what about other countries? Is there any exams, fees, or equivalency ?? What does a student from the english section do after 6 years in Cluj?
    Thanks again for your help!!!

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    ClujDDS is offline Junior Member 512 points
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nuna View Post
    Thanks a lot for your help and your answers.

    ClujDDS i think you're right about "medicine [being] something you teach yourself".
    I asked this question about Cluj because I heard a lot about people who paid the teachers and corruption in this university and i was a little scared that it would affect the
    quality of the diploma.
    I have another question about residency this time, i see in the list of the english section that most of the admitted students are from germany, sweden, US and UK.
    So I guess that this students would go back to their country for residency. I know that french students have to pass a national exam which will determine the hospitals and
    specialties they can apply to. But what about other countries? Is there any exams, fees, or equivalency ?? What does a student from the english section do after 6 years in Cluj?
    Thanks again for your help!!!
    Don't mention it :] The Romanian diploma is pretty much legit everywhere in Europe, even in those countries outside of EU. The only countries that i know require exams some validation of the diploma to their standards are USA/AUS/FR/. In other countries such as Sweden, Norway, Germany and others there is no other requirement. After the 6 years in Romania, you go back to your country and apply for a validation of your diploma and Romanian license (depending on which country it is) and they'll give you a license to practice medicine in that country...then you just have to apply for residency spots around the country depending on what you prefer.

    Students from the US in the English section of medicine might however have a hard time validating their diploma in some states such as California since they only recognize the Romanian section...so i'd advice anyone from the USA to check if their sections are valid to begin with. So doing USMLE and such tests will be waste of time unless you solve this boarding thing....but different states have different rules and some states won't care if they need physicians.

    But other than that...the diploma is valid everywhere.

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    Okay,
    Thanks a lot for your help and answers!!!

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    iI was reading this forum and couldnt help but feel ive been confirmed about my information about cluj Napoca Med School. I am planning to come study there next year in the english. I really cant wait and I personally think its the best in Romania and have heard only good things. Any advice?? Im from South Africa by the way and as much as i knw no one here, i feel like this is VERY helpful.

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