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    Why does the Cleveland Clinic have so many DO's and IMG's for Internal Medicine residency? Do they have trouble filling in their spots?

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    Yeah right

    No. They do not have trouble filling their spots. They are 'blinded' when it comes which Med school applicant comes from. They take the best of the best. IMG, DO, MD, it doesnt matter to them. The reason why many univ based programs stray away from IMGs is because they will lose federal grant money, and it loses attractiveness to "good" US grads. Most places stay try to maintain less than 40% IMG in order to remain "competitive". CCF, MAYO do not need to do this because they are the research (and hence federal money) headquarters for the world. The are neither classified as Univ affiliated, or Univ Based; they have their own catagory. Look at Freida Online, its states "Other". They might as well put "why are you even looking at this category".
    In conclusion, CCF and Mayo are a league of their own. They take the best of the best. Black, White, Jewish, Green, Purple, Chinese, Jordanian, Muslim, Midgets, DO, MD, or IMG. Thats what keeps them the best. Because they do not have any restriction as to who they "should" take to prevent losing money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by weinstein
    Why does the Cleveland Clinic have so many DO's and IMG's for Internal Medicine residency? Do they have trouble filling in their spots?
    LOL, yes that is it! They have problem filling their spots.

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    also depends on which one you are talking about, the 'real' cleveland clinic or their affiliates like the one the smu resident matched (can't recall the name thats the only reason i used the smu resident to describe it it's a really good program affiliated with CC but not the main place) and cleveland clinic in weston florida...... not sure about what cubano said and i've never heard of federal money being tied in to % of resident breakdown...could be right but it could also be one of those img urban legends like we take a different version of the usmle.... so cubano what is the source of your info on federal money in residency programs? thanks for any info
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    I thought residency and fellowship programs were subsidized by Medicare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rrod
    not sure about what cubano said and i've never heard of federal money being tied in to % of resident breakdown...could be right but it could also be one of those img urban legends like we take a different version of the usmle.... so cubano what is the source of your info on federal money in residency programs? thanks for any info
    IMO, urban legend. Iserson even quotes a federal law in his book where residency programs are not allowed to discriminate against IMGs.

    For more about residency financing, check out this page on the AAMCs server.

    The reason IMGs don't match to many competitive programs is complex, but IMO it includes:
    • US grads have homefield advantage (they prefer their own)
    • Perception of USIMGs
    • Perception of FMGs (cultural issues, etc...)
    • Lower scores

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    Quote Originally Posted by elcubano
    No. They do not have trouble filling their spots. They are 'blinded' when it comes which Med school applicant comes from. They take the best of the best. IMG, DO, MD, it doesnt matter to them. The reason why many univ based programs stray away from IMGs is because they will lose federal grant money, and it loses attractiveness to "good" US grads. Most places stay try to maintain less than 40% IMG in order to remain "competitive". CCF, MAYO do not need to do this because they are the research (and hence federal money) headquarters for the world. The are neither classified as Univ affiliated, or Univ Based; they have their own catagory. Look at Freida Online, its states "Other". They might as well put "why are you even looking at this category".
    In conclusion, CCF and Mayo are a league of their own. They take the best of the best. Black, White, Jewish, Green, Purple, Chinese, Jordanian, Muslim, Midgets, DO, MD, or IMG. Thats what keeps them the best. Because they do not have any restriction as to who they "should" take to prevent losing money.
    Hope this helps
    It is true that prestige places often have top qualified IMGs/DOs in their residency programs. I agree they are not concerned this would impact on "their reputation".In the case of the CCF this is no doubt true as well. Also the midwest (Cleveland among other cities) is not as popular a destination with US grads for training and it opens he doors to some IMGs,the competition from high level US grads is less.The fellowship programs at CCF are among the best in the US but the general medicine program is not considered on that level.

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    they aren't allowed to discriminate against IMG's but there are places that will not even look at you application as an IMG so they aren't really discriminating if they aren't considering you. some places also use score filters so they will not look at apps below a certain number
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    You guys kidding me?

    Whoever states Residency Programs do not discriminate against IMGs are either naive or not aware of today's medical world.
    To clarify....fellowships and residency spots are funded by us govt. However, research money is allocated accordingly to programs, and is the root of backstabbing and all out war between programs. This is not something I have made up. This info is from several fellowship directors and PDs that I have conversed with. Straight from the Horse's Mouth. Money follows the person who has that research. If a researcher produces money for the hospital (ie research $$) they are golden. If they leave, guess what, they take the money with them. Food for thought.

    As far as IMG's having lower scores. True, en masse we do. However, please consider the extreme as well. IMGs also have the highest scores. Yes, higher than US grads. We have to study harder and longer to score high to be considered a worthy applicant. I know IMGs that have failed step 1 x 3 but do not really know of any US grads who have failed x 3. I know IMGs with step 1 scores in the 260s and have never heard of a US grad with such absurd scores. Most US grads I know have above avg scores for step 2, yet I have never heard of US grad obtaining a 273 on step 2. In fact, I personally know of an IMG from AUC that scored a booming 255 on step 1, and a ridiculous 273 on step 2. He is applying for neurosurgery. Guess what? >15 interviews for NS. And not medicoire programs...Im talking about Henry Ford, Baylor, Drexel, Temple, etc. He has actually turned interviews down...for Neurosurgery!! He has been complimented on every interview regarding his scores. In addition, half of the PDs have told him that they have never seen such an absurdity in scores for step 1 and step 2 put together, in addition to anything greater than 270 on Step 2. How many US grads you know go to interviews with whopping 99/99 or 98/98 on Steps? Not many. Ask your PDs. More than likely when a PD sees a 98/98 or 99/99 on steps, he is more than likely an IMG.
    Programs do discriminate against IMGs. They just do not look at app! Ok a law states that they cannot. Who will take it to the supreme court stating that they are discriminating. Do not be so naive. Laws are there, but NOTHING TO ENFORCE. A law is not a law unless it can be enforced. I have called several programs and give them an overview of my credentials and they seem quite interested. Then they ask for my school. What an awkward silence. "We will review your application and get back to you." The truth of the matter is that they rather take an avg 215 / 210 on steps from a US grad than a 240 / 250 IMG. Its a stigma we must live with. Work hard guys...the road isnt easy. And if you want surgery as an IMG, hope you like OB/Gyn, IMGs will only fill Prelim this year, gauranteed.
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    hold on...

    First of all as an IMG, I will get a position that I WANT and I will not settle. The fact of the matter is, if you gon into this whole thing thinking that you will have to settle for the scraps, then guess what, you will get scraps. The system does suck in that there is a so-called against us--I too have experienced as I wait for more interviews, etc. BUT, not only does the system need to change, but bad IMG attitudes need to chznge as well!! More later...
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