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    Can I get interview without step 2 ck

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    hey there, I'm kinda in a sticky situation.
    I recently graduated from medical school, and passed step 1 and step 2 cs. I completed step 2 ck towards the end of July. Apparently there is a score delay, so I will not get my score until september 14th. Therefore I will be applying without ecfmg certification sigh!!
    I am only applying to psychiatry because that is my interest. I am doing two psychiatric research and have completed a lot of extracurricular activities involving counseling and psychiatry.
    Base on everything that is happening, will I be able to get some interviews without the step 2 ck??
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    While some places might be hung up on not having ECFMG in-hand, there are others that will look at the fact that you have passed the other two exams (along with your other credentials) and may be more than happy to offer you an interview.

    If I were you (and, of course, I am not) then I would totally apply to all of the programs of interest... and if some of them decide to wait until ECFMG gets their crap together, then so be it. Alternatively, I suppose you could check with all of the programs you like and select only the ones that do not require ECFMG in-hand, but since you do not know when the score will come through you could wind up shooting yourself in the foot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cutelilMD View Post
    I am only applying to psychiatry because that is my interest.
    I think it is unwise to, "only apply to psychiatry". Psychiatry is a very competitive specialty in the match nowadays and it would be prudent to consider alternatives in case you don't get matched. For example, Internal Medicine with combined Psychiatry. Also, as a "back-up plan", I suggest applying to Family Medicine (FM) where you should be able to take a few "elective" rotations in psych. There are many Family Med docs today integrating psychiatry into their practice due to the shortage of Psychiatrists. In addition, FM offers fellowships in addiction medicine.
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    https://nf.aafp.org/Directories/Fellowship/Results

    Please note, these are my observations as a "mid level provider" with 15 years of providing primary care (including psych) in the U.S. So take it with a grain of salt! Hopefully, others will start to chime in with additional perspectives. Best wishes!
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    Quote Originally Posted by leadsled View Post
    I think it is unwise to, "only apply to psychiatry". Psychiatry is a very competitive specialty in the match nowadays and it would be prudent to consider alternatives in case you don't get matched. For example, Internal Medicine with combined Psychiatry. Also, as a "back-up plan", I suggest applying to Family Medicine (FM) where you should be able to take a few "elective" rotations in psych. There are many Family Med docs today integrating psychiatry into their practice due to the shortage of Psychiatrists. In addition, FM offers fellowships in addiction medicine.
    Link:
    https://nf.aafp.org/Directories/Fellowship/Results

    Please note, these are my observations as a "mid level provider" with 15 years of providing primary care (including psych) in the U.S. So take it with a grain of salt! Hopefully, others will start to chime in with additional perspectives. Best wishes!
    I agree. I had 230/220 and didn't match Psychiatry. Met a lot of others that didn't with same scores.

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    omg I didn't know psychiatry is competitive, sigh why am I crazy enough to love a field that competitive. I would love to do family medicine as well, but I hate the gyn part that is why I avoided it. I never like sticking my fingers up any holes. But I do love the fact that it's the jack of all trades.
    thanx for the advice I will apply to family as well. One quick question, is it ok to apply to two different specialty in the same hospital. For example, if MGH has a psych and a family, is it wise to apply for both in MGH??
    I'm not planning on applying to MGH, that is the first hospital that came out of my head lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by cutelilMD View Post
    but I hate the gyn part that is why I avoided it. I never like sticking my fingers up any holes. But I do love the fact that it's the jack of all trades.
    Really? I find uro/gyn/rectal issues much more simple to manage than the troubling complexities of the human mind! Psychiatry can be mentally exhausting and frustrating for the provider. The results of your treatment are not seen immediately and much of the care is oriented towards psycho-pharmacological management with little to no psychotherapy and certainly zero spiritual. I guess you can tell my beliefs towards treatment of the "Human condition" needs to focus on mind, body and spirit.

    I'm sorry I can't answer your questions in regards to applying to multiple specialties within the same organization. My gut tells me there are so many applicants nowadays they probably won't even notice!
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    hahahha yea but the "troubling complexity of the mind" is dark, mysterious, and puzzling. It stays in the subconscious, lingering forever. This is why i love it so much, the fact that I have to dig deep in there without actually digging in there. Whereas, the uro/gyn/rectal stuff require me to actually dig deep in there and it's not that mysterious at all because I have a hole and I see it all. >, not complaining, just not my cup of tea.
    but one thing I'm really scare about is my CV. It is very psych oriented. I'm not sure how FM will handle that. I know I can write a stellar personal statement, but don't know how they will view my cv hahah. They be like "dang this girl is dark and twisted lol" I want to change my CV, but I have already submitted and certified my application, so everything is locked.
    What do you guys think?
    I also want to thank everyone for sharing their experience, thoughts, and opinion with me. I am alone and clueless in this journey, so this is very helpful
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    Quote Originally Posted by cutelilMD View Post
    not complaining, just not my cup of tea.
    Talking about holes in the head (psych), family medicine gives you the opportunity to focus on treating all the psych disorders that are "secondary to". I don't know how many thousands of patients I have treated over the years that had depression, anxiety, loss of libido, etc that were secondary to thyroid, endocrine, hormonal issues, etc. Patients had no business being on an SSRI or Benzo when their psych symptoms were caused by other primary problems that were simple to fix! It sounds so simple but clinicians miss it all the time!

    FM is a good back-up plan! I have no doubt FM program directors recognize Family Practice doctors added roles in psychiatry with the severe shortage of Psychiatrists. I know for a fact FM docs are already managing higher acuity psych issues by default. Patients have no where else to turn and the mid level Psych NP's are far and few between as well. They should be happy they find someone interested in psych and FM!
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    Leadsled, you got me sold.
    If I match into family medicine, you be the first person I thank. I will send you lots of presents, flowers, chocolate, the whole 9 yards hahahhaa.
    This is a good point you brought up. During my FM, rotation I remember having to differentiate between hypothyroidism and major depressive disorders. It was difficult because the symptoms of hypothyroids do coincide with the whole sigecap symptoms of MDD. Mainly, low eneergy, lost of interest, lack of concentration, loss of appetite. Fortunately, a blood test confirm the results. I might be able to get pass the CV issue if I emphasize my interest of FM and how it encompasses all these aspects as well as the human mind. Hmm gotta be creative with this, but thanx for the inspiration leadsled.
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    What are your thoughts on IM preliminaries, transitional slots? I heard they are difficult to get for FMGs! Just a thought if you can later secure an advanced pgy2 in Psych?? Also, do you see any residencies on ERAS offered in Veteran Hospitals?
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