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    ShimaMD is offline Junior Member 510 points
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    2019 Residency Placements for IMG's

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    Hey Guys, after doing some research this is what I have come down to: ( so sorry, for not providing sources, but me and my friends have done the search together and found this)

    Canada (particularly BC) is increasing the number of IMG residency slots by 2017, they are more than doubling it. By 2020, the need for primary care doctors are going to double in both Canada and US. And US, if they get more funding will pass the Residency Bill, which means more residencies will be opening in the next few years if the bill gets passed. Also, the new US medical schools and DO schools that opened recently, will increase the number of docs in US and will be alot harder to IMG's that are looking for competitve specialites, but the FM and IM slots are going to be open to IMG's still because it is in high demand. Also, most USMG's are going to be looking for high-end specilaty residencies because they know they can get them, IMG's will have to work harder to get competitive residencies, and majority of the primary care residencies will be filled by IMG's.

    So I don't know, this is both good news and bad news. Assuming I go to SGU in 2014 (because I want to try applying to some US schools- which I doubt I get in), I will be in the 2018-2019 match year. I am interested in IM or FM only- this is something I have always wanted to do since I was a child, to be a family doctor. And assuming that I do good on step1, do some research, and do great in rotations etc..., I will be applying for FM residencies all over canada and US to optimize my chances. do you think it's safe for me to go to SGU at that time and compete for the 2019 match year???

    Your input is highly appreciated guys.

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    That is kind of a "crystal ball" question -- you are asking for a weather report six years in advance, and nobody really knows what the match scene (or the immigration scene) will look like then.

    Based on the numbers you are throwing around, I would say that it is possible. But that is complete conjecture at this point. The environment surrounding availability of residency spots, governmental positions, and other related elements are incredibly difficult to predict that far in advance. Regardless, I wish you success...

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    That is very true. I am just very worried because until now I had my eyes on international schools such as the caribbean just in case I do not get in. I am from Canada and there are only 17 med schools here, they take no one but "perfect" students- there are no DO schools or lower tier schools like US. But now that I heard new schools have opened up in USA and residency spots are not opening up, I am worried about my chances of gaining residency if I do end up going to the caribbean :s Any suggestions for me? Should I be worried or do you think I will be find since I am interested in primary care and they are always in high demand??

    Quote Originally Posted by devildoc8404 View Post
    That is kind of a "crystal ball" question -- you are asking for a weather report six years in advance, and nobody really knows what the match scene (or the immigration scene) will look like then.

    Based on the numbers you are throwing around, I would say that it is possible. But that is complete conjecture at this point. The environment surrounding availability of residency spots, governmental positions, and other related elements are incredibly difficult to predict that far in advance. Regardless, I wish you success...

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    If you are interested in primary care I would assume you would be fine. No offence intended to anyone but many end up in the caribbean as a last resort because they were unlucky in securing an US spot for medical school, myself included. But having finished school I realize medicine is medicine regardless of where you learned it whether at Hopkins or on some rock somewhere. The improtant thing is to research the programs you apply to, make sure they have a good pass rates on the step 1 and don't limit your options once you return back the the states/canada. Do well the 1st two years, rock the boards on your FIRST attempts, get solid LoRs and apply far and wide. No one gets from point A to point B in a straight line.....if you think you will then you are only setting yourself up for disappointment. If when all is said and done you are doing what you want to do and where you want to do it, then it does not matter how you got there. Good luck.

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    can international students apply to U.S. medical schools?

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    They can apply (assuming completion of a North American bachelorīs degree, all of the pre-med science classes, and the MCAT), but the numbers of accepted foreign students are incredibly small each year. The AAMC charts admissions statistics, you can look them up. They are not very encouraging.

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    Also, many American schools want US Citizenship/Residency.
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    Unfortunately, it would seem that we are all in the same boat. From what I have read, as I am only going to be starting med school this fall, so, I am no expert, there is going to be a shortage of residency slots by 2016-17. It has been recognized by the schools, the ACGME, AOA and the US Government. Several states have begun to increase funding for GME slots already. Additionally, due to the ACGME-AOA GME merger, many unfilled AOA residency slots will become available to IMGs, so that will help a bit too. At some point, Congress will have to act on it, or face a public health crisis. Maybe they will, maybe they'll mess around for another 10 years. There is no way to know. The only thing to do, is keep your head down, concentrate on school and try to kick major butt on the USMLE, pick your programs to apply to wisely and realistically (we won't all be going to Hopkins or The Mayo Clinic) and hope for the best. We've made it this far. Have faith, work hard and let the chips fall where they may.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HopefulDoc2010 View Post
    Unfortunately, it would seem that we are all in the same boat. From what I have read, as I am only going to be starting med school this fall, so, I am no expert, there is going to be a shortage of residency slots by 2016-17. It has been recognized by the schools, the ACGME, AOA and the US Government. Several states have begun to increase funding for GME slots already. Additionally, due to the ACGME-AOA GME merger, many unfilled AOA residency slots will become available to IMGs, so that will help a bit too. At some point, Congress will have to act on it, or face a public health crisis. Maybe they will, maybe they'll mess around for another 10 years. There is no way to know. The only thing to do, is keep your head down, concentrate on school and try to kick major butt on the USMLE, pick your programs to apply to wisely and realistically (we won't all be going to Hopkins or The Mayo Clinic) and hope for the best. We've made it this far. Have faith, work hard and let the chips fall where they may.

    1. AOA spots will never open to Allo students. Allo students don't learn OMT which is the "cornerstone" of AOA. Although DO students are free to go to Allo PG programs.
    2. Funding for GME comes from Medicare, which will increase due to cost cutting (see reduction in deficit). The notion of increasing GME spots has gone to the senate several times over, never happened, never will. Don't hold your breath.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C35 View Post
    1. AOA spots will never open to Allo students. Allo students don't learn OMT which is the "cornerstone" of AOA. Although DO students are free to go to Allo PG programs.
    2. Funding for GME comes from Medicare, which will increase due to cost cutting (see reduction in deficit). The notion of increasing GME spots has gone to the senate several times over, never happened, never will. Don't hold your breath.
    Agreed. Many of the AOA spots will likely be axed once a merger takes place and ACGME is in charge of accrediting all residencies.
    Medicare is very strapped for cash. The American public thinks all doctors are rich elitists (including heavily indebted recent med school graduates and residents), and will be unwilling to vote for someone who supports expanding GME. Primary care physicians in FM and EM will continue to replaced with PAs and NPs.

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