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    pslupi is offline Newbie 510 points
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    Matched for Advanced Program but NOT for Prelim Program

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    Hi,
    I am in the unfortunate position to have matched in a great radiology residency program, but I still need a prelim program.
    After today's problems with the unmatched list, I have not been able to scramble for a prelim position (yet).
    Does anybody know what happens if I don't match for a prelim program in the next two days? Any tips for me?

    Any help is greatly appreciated! Thank.

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    time to bite the bullet and hit up every prelim surgery spot under the sun... the more "inner city", the more likely you'll get it. May I suggest detroit, cleveland, or middle of nowhere places in Louisiana.

    I know you didn't work your butt off to do prelim surgery, but it is what it is.

    FYI... if you don't secure a prelim spot before July, you lose your advanced spot.

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    Watchingrose,
    Thanks for your response. I have already accepted the fact that I will have to do surgery, which is not a huge problem for me.
    To inquire further, I am pretty sure I got matched to a top program in radiology, one of the most sought-after specialty out there. Will they be able to provide any help regarding this?

    Thanks.

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    i think that is more program dependent. i know someone last year that matched into anesthesia but no prelim and had to scramble and the program was totally hands off. If I were you, I would contact NRMP to see which city your advanced spot is in and then if that information singles out the radiology program you think you matched into, it can't hurt to shoot them an email or call them up to see if they can hook you up with a spot. It definitely can't hurt and what do you have to lose? your radio match is binding The program director could easily get you a prelim surgery spot in the same hospital if one is available, maybe even a medicine. I'm not exactly sure about the legal ramifications since you're technically not allowed to find out until thurs where you matched, so they may not be "allowed" to do anything till then.

    This is what I would do. I'm no expert so you might want to take that into account.

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    I called the NRMP and they informed me which state the advanced program is in, which is how I'm 99% positive about which one it is (only program I applied to/ranked in this state). It's a major university hospital with several openings, none of which are in surgery/IM. I am planning to call the NRMP again as soon as they open in order to get suggestions from their end, but am at a loss as to what to do if I don't get matched with a prelim program by the end of the scramble. This advanced program is a "top 10" by all accounts, and I can't imagine losing the opportunity to take it based on a failure to match with a prelim program. I have googled this issue to no ends since submitting my 30 designated applications through ERAS today, but have found no examples of people in a similar situation...

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    well if the program doesn't have any spots open in house, that'll be more difficult for them to help you out. I know it's hard, but don't stress. If you have the stats to match into a top radio program, you can get in a prelim surgery program. Last year, there was someone on the ross forum who posted that matched into radio but no prelim and scrambled into a surgery prelim, so things like this definitely happens. The reason why you don't hear about it is that like this radio person and my anesthesia friend, if they have stats for those competitive specialties, then getting a prelim surgery spot is well within their reach. Calling NRMP for suggestions is pretty useless in my opinion. Just make your calls and send out your applications. Make sure you mention that you have an advanced radio spot lined up. Things will work out!

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    You'll be able to find a position since you are looking for a designated prelim spot. Most of the positions people are taking now are non-designated positions. There will be lots of designated prelim positions left even after the scramble, happens every year. Nassau University Medical Center has 5 designated prelim surgery positions, contact them asap if you're interested.

    Marco

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    pslupi is offline Newbie 510 points
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    Thanks for the updates on designated spots. I didn't even know they existed before... But it makes me feel more confident. And I will definitely look into Nassau :-)

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    How do I know how many designated spots are out there? Or how do I find these spots after Thursday?

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    I'm not sure what the list looks like on the NRMP website, but the list that I've seen from this year's match states whether the surgery prelim position is a designated one. Also, check Association of Program Directors in Surgery Residency Positions Open this is where most surgery programs will post openings, and where they will post openings after the scramble. Hope this helps.

    Marco

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