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    Do you think Congress will pass the bill to increase residency places?

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    2 bills have been submitted for consideration to increase residency by 15,000 additional spots by 2015 (i think). Do you think this will eventually happen? If it does , its very great news for IMGs i think.

    Considering US med schools at about 170 by then (D.O. + M.D. ) and they increase seats by 30 more for each school on avg , then it would be 4500 additional M.D.s to occupy the 15,000 additional slots. US med schools by contrasts , i believe , will not increase seats by a large number because it depends on school , state funding and also the ratio of professors to students is a consideration.

    Then we add in the D.O.s who currently cant match at NRMP , say about 1000 by then ( lol ) , plus new D.O.s from more schools or more seats maybe give it about 800 assuming all these new D.O.s match at M.D. residency instead of D.O. , then we have about 1800 from the D.O. side

    4500 + 1800 + 500 (buffer of M.D.s seeking residency again and others) = 6800

    15,000 additional seats for 6800 additional residents thats still leaves 8200 additional seats for additional IMGs.

    wow? lol


    Also , can any SGU grads confirm the claim that SGU has a 99% residency placement rate for each of the classes (prematch , match , scramble) ?

    Thanks and good luck to those currently in the matching process
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    Quote Originally Posted by nousername View Post
    2 bills have been submitted for consideration to increase residency by 15,000 additional spots by 2015 (i think). Do you think this will eventually happen? If it does , its very great news for IMGs i think.

    Considering US med schools at about 170 by then (D.O. + M.D. ) and they increase seats by 30 more for each school on avg , then it would be 4500 additional M.D.s to occupy the 15,000 additional slots. US med schools by contrasts , i believe , will not increase seats by a large number because it depends on school , state funding and also the ratio of professors to students is a consideration.

    Then we add in the D.O.s who currently cant match at NRMP , say about 1000 by then ( lol ) , plus new D.O.s from more schools or more seats maybe give it about 800 assuming all these new D.O.s match at M.D. residency instead of D.O. , then we have about 1800 from the D.O. side

    4500 + 1800 + 500 (buffer of M.D.s seeking residency again and others) = 6800

    15,000 additional seats for 6800 additional residents thats still leaves 8200 additional seats for additional IMGs.

    wow? lol


    Also , can any SGU grads confirm the claim that SGU has a 99% residency placement rate for each of the classes (prematch , match , scramble) ?

    Thanks and good luck to those currently in the matching process
    Can you please site the HR or SR of the bills?
    My concern would be that if they are increased, what residency would be increased? Would any be decreased? Of course, there are various factors that will contribute to an increase number of the type of physicians. Opening up more spots will only ensure an increase number of physicians, not neseeccarily the type of doctors. This depends on the health care bills that will be passed (or not).
    Increasing the number of residencies in a socialized system will be fruitless, as less people will go into the field.
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    I believe you can find it by doing a search. i remember its govtrack.us or something where they have all the bills currently pending implementation.

    Anyway , I believe they will generally increase places at all specialties. But the extent is different. Def. most of the increase will be at primary care.

    So can anyone back the claim made by SGU on their website? lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by nousername View Post
    I believe you can find it by doing a search. i remember its govtrack.us or something where they have all the bills currently pending implementation.

    Anyway , I believe they will generally increase places at all specialties. But the extent is different. Def. most of the increase will be at primary care.

    So can anyone back the claim made by SGU on their website? lol

    Thanks,
    The actual resolution is H.R.2251

    here's the actual statement:
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    The bill summary states that preference will be given to hospitals that apply for primary care or general surgery slots, or slots that emphasize community-based training; further preference will be given to hospitals in States with fewer Medicare-sponsored residency slots than medical students, and to hospitals in states with low resident-to-population ratios. The remaining one-third will be allocated proportionately to hospitals operating in excess of their caps that can also prove they are training at least 25% of their residents in primary care or general surgery.



    For the bolded...This statement would be correct if the health care system were to stay the same. As I stated previously, if the country goes toward socialized medicine and it is, indeed, implemented, then your statement would not be necessarily correct.
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    Socialized medicine is still far away. I believe the specialists might go on a "strike" if US models after the UK's NHS. lol just a guess.

    But if this bill were to pass , many more IMGs will be able to enter the US healthcare workforce.

    However , if this bill does not pass and US med schools increase their intake every year , then i believe this could spell trouble for the caribbean schools.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nousername View Post
    Socialized medicine is still far away. I believe the specialists might go on a "strike" if US models after the UK's NHS. lol just a guess.

    But if this bill were to pass , many more IMGs will be able to enter the US healthcare workforce.

    However , if this bill does not pass and US med schools increase their intake every year , then i believe this could spell trouble for the caribbean schools.
    The first sentence is incorrect, if this congress and president get what they want. Actually "far away" is a relative term and you may be right depending on the definition of "far away" is. I think you are correct on the "strike" portion or they may actually retire or leave the practice. In fact, congress has proposed to slash medic. reimbursement for cardiologists and oncologists.

    Your second paragraph is also correct, if the numbers of AMG stays the same or decreases. If they increase to proportion of residency spots then it may not make a difference to IMG's. I hope that won't be the case and our brethren get more spots!
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    This bill has been discussed many different times in many different threads on many different forums. There is no talk of residency increase in the current health care reform proposal. If the liberal version of reform passes this seat increase most likely won't happen as it is too expensive. As of now they are simply asking for a redistribution of slots, 1000 to be exact. Some of this redistribution might come from AOA slots (since they are medicare funded as well and a 1000 are left empty each year) which would increase the no. of seats for us since we cannot apply to the osteopathic match, but as of now it's all speculation. The redistribution itself will not happen until the 2012 match so again if there was to be any increase in overall seats it is many many years away.

    Had this reform movement not occured you can almost certainly bet these bills would have passed as they have considerable bi partisan support. But this massive overhaul is expensive, so don't count on these bills to pass. One piece of good news (for carib IMGs only) is that Senator Reid, one of the primary architects of health care reform is also the primary architect of one of these bills.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiz77 View Post
    This bill has been discussed many different times in many different threads on many different forums. There is no talk of residency increase in the current health care reform proposal. If the liberal version of reform passes this seat increase most likely won't happen as it is too expensive. As of now they are simply asking for a redistribution of slots, 1000 to be exact. Some of this redistribution might come from AOA slots (since they are medicare funded as well and a 1000 are left empty each year) which would increase the no. of seats for us since we cannot apply to the osteopathic match, but as of now it's all speculation. The redistribution itself will not happen until the 2012 match so again if there was to be any increase in overall seats it is many many years away.

    Had this reform movement not occured you can almost certainly bet these bills would have passed as they have considerable bi partisan support. But this massive overhaul is expensive, so don't count on these bills to pass. One piece of good news (for carib IMGs only) is that Senator Reid, one of the primary architects of health care reform is also the primary architect of one of these bills.
    Nicely said. Thank you, Shiz!
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    I dont see US adopting Socialized medicine anywhere soon. Its not a few years thing to reform one system to another.

    Did that debate started before they realized there was a shortage of docs or after there was a shortage of docs ??

    I think the bills are proposed (in 2009) because they realized that there is going to be a big shortage coming up if they sit around and do nothing.

    Merely relocating spots to primary care doesnt solve the problem. The problem is a lack of doctors. By doing that , they may end up with another problem come 2015. They will realise they do not have enough specialists as many have retired. then another big mistake comes again. lol

    More med students does not equal more doctors does not equal more doctors in primary care if residency slots dont open up
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    Quote Originally Posted by SMUGrinch View Post
    The first sentence is incorrect, if this congress and president get what they want. Actually "far away" is a relative term and you may be right depending on the definition of "far away" is. I think you are correct on the "strike" portion or they may actually retire or leave the practice. In fact, congress has proposed to slash medic. reimbursement for cardiologists and oncologists.

    Your second paragraph is also correct, if the numbers of AMG stays the same or decreases. If they increase to proportion of residency spots then it may not make a difference to IMG's. I hope that won't be the case and our brethren get more spots!
    What do you mean by your first sentence? I think AMG will not increase by a large proportion as they are state-funded or school-funded and they simply cannot pump out 3 classes of 300 like some carib schools because they have to make sure the US med students get a low ratio of teaching:students both during lectures and clinical rotations. Teaching staffs are expensive to hire in a US med school. And many of them engage in research as compared to carib schools which are teaching-concentrated med schools that do not engage in training M.D/PhD students or the faculty doing research themselves
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