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    Help. Is it too late to apply via ERAS?

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    Hi.

    I got all my material into ERAS by November 1st, including the MSPE. However, it's been really hard in choosing a specialty to go into.

    However, I finally decided on a few areas (down from a huge list, thankfully). Is it too late to apply to programs for a few specialties, such as neurology, general surgery, psychiatry, and preliminary-year internal medicine? I am still sending out applications via ERAS as I learn more about them. Am I wasting my time and money? HELLP!

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    Mid-June 2006
    ERAS 2007 Applicant Manuals will be available for PDF download by chapters or in its entirety on our Web site.
    Late June 2006
    Schools may begin to generate and distribute MyERAS tokens to applicants.
    July 1, 2006
    MyERAS Web site opens to applicants to begin working on their applications.
    July 15, 2006
    Osteopathic applicants may begin selecting and applying to Osteopathic Internship programs ONLY.

    Osteopathic Internship programs can begin contacting the ERAS PostOffice to download application files.
    September 1, 2006
    Applicants may begin applying to ACGME accredited programs
    September 1, 2006
    ACGME accredited programs may begin contacting the ERAS PostOffice to download application files.
    November 1, 2006
    MSPEs are released.
    December 2006
    Military Match
    January 2007
    Urology Match
    February 2007
    Osteopathic Match
    March 2007
    NRMP Match results will be available.
    May 31, 2007
    ERAS PostOffice will close to prepare for the 2008 season.

    It doesn't look like it's too late, but it's kind of late to still be choosing between four specialties. In your case, a prelim or transitional year might be helpful. Otherwise, if money isn't a factor, apply to all of the programs you're interested in and see what happens. As time goes by you might find yourself being drawn to a particular field/program or the interview offers vs. rejections might steer you in a certain direction.

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    Thanks for the reply.

    I'm getting closer to narrowing my choices down.

    Some programs have told me that they have already filled their residency interview slots. I'm relatively competitive compared to some applicants, at least that is what my school and people who have written letters for me have told me; however, I feel that I don't have a shot given programs are not accepting any more interviewees, even though MSPE's were just released a few days ago and many other applicants have not gotten all their papers in or test scores back.

    Transitional programs are extremely competitive given every neurotic medical student on earth applies to them to cover for a false sense of inadequacies. I give up on transitional programs---these primarily go to U.S. graduates first....and seem to me like the biggest waste of money.

    a) Is it too late to apply for general surgery?

    b) How much money should I expect to throw away at this time of the year?

    To apply to all the programs seems ridiculous and a total waste of money. I have never before went into an application process totally clueless as I am right now, especially in regard to what my chances are.

    There has to be some way to increase my chances to match. There has to be a source out there that can help an applicant increase their shot at getting a position. I feel like the NRMP is a scam and frankly most people cannot come up with money to throw away like that.

    c) Is anyone else out there still applying as an IMG to residency programs after November 1st?

    e) I have applied to 30 programs and have not gotten a single interview. If I don't get any interviews, what should I do to improve my chances in the scramble?

    d) Is it smarter just to scramble into something than wasting money in the ERAS Money-Stealing Match. (How ridiculous is it anyways that the US govt made an exception to the Sherman-Anti-trust act for the NRMP?) To me it seems like the smartest thing to do is just wait until the day of the scramble because on that day the gates are fully open for everyone and you are bound to get something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by making_success View Post
    c) Is anyone else out there still applying as an IMG to residency programs after November 1st?

    e) I have applied to 30 programs and have not gotten a single interview. If I don't get any interviews, what should I do to improve my chances in the scramble?

    d) To me it seems like the smartest thing to do is just wait until the day of the scramble because on that day the gates are fully open for everyone and you are bound to get something.
    I applied to 53 Psych programs, mostly on 10/16, and have not gotten any interviews either. Applying that late probably put me at a disadvantage. I am also applying to FM, but have not submitted anything yet...planning to apply this week. I will try to call programs to see if they are still taking apps...I also want to know, IS IT TOO LATE?

    My best suggestion for you and myself to increase chances for Scramble, if necessary, is to pass Step 3. I would not, however, Gamble on the Scramble as a primary option. As far as "bound to get something", I'm not so sure. There's no guarantee. But we still try our best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by making_success View Post
    Thanks for the reply.

    I'm getting closer to narrowing my choices down.

    Some programs have told me that they have already filled their residency interview slots. I'm relatively competitive compared to some applicants, at least that is what my school and people who have written letters for me have told me; however, I feel that I don't have a shot given programs are not accepting any more interviewees, even though MSPE's were just released a few days ago and many other applicants have not gotten all their papers in or test scores back.

    Transitional programs are extremely competitive given every neurotic medical student on earth applies to them to cover for a false sense of inadequacies. I give up on transitional programs---these primarily go to U.S. graduates first....and seem to me like the biggest waste of money.

    a) Is it too late to apply for general surgery?

    I don't think it's too late to apply to most programs. If a program has a set deadline they will state it on their website. However, you are correct that a lot of programs are running lower on interview slots, but you also have to realize that people will most likely start canceling interviews shortly once they've heard from more programs and realize they can't afford to travel to 50 interviews. If you really want General Surgery you need to look into programs that are IMG friendly.

    b) How much money should I expect to throw away at this time of the year?

    Gosh, it's hard to say, especially since you're applying to several specialties. Be prepared to spend quite a bit of money. Definitely be smart regarding applying to programs. Make sure they are still taking applications, etc. to limit wasting your money.

    To apply to all the programs seems ridiculous and a total waste of money. I have never before went into an application process totally clueless as I am right now, especially in regard to what my chances are.

    There has to be some way to increase my chances to match. There has to be a source out there that can help an applicant increase their shot at getting a position. I feel like the NRMP is a scam and frankly most people cannot come up with money to throw away like that.

    c) Is anyone else out there still applying as an IMG to residency programs after November 1st?

    Sorry, can't help you here.

    e) I have applied to 30 programs and have not gotten a single interview. If I don't get any interviews, what should I do to improve my chances in the scramble?

    How long has it been since you applied?

    d) Is it smarter just to scramble into something than wasting money in the ERAS Money-Stealing Match. (How ridiculous is it anyways that the US govt made an exception to the Sherman-Anti-trust act for the NRMP?) To me it seems like the smartest thing to do is just wait until the day of the scramble because on that day the gates are fully open for everyone and you are bound to get something.

    I know ERAS can cost a lot of money, but I'd say you should try to apply that way then rely on the Scramble if need be.
    Just my 2 cents!!!

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    My chances

    I am in a non-ACGME residency at this time ( yes they exist with hopes of approval). I thought it would be approved for 2007-2008 but it does not look promising.

    After considerable thought, I started to apply to programs. To add to the whole thing, I am applying to a couples match and we are both FMG. We are both American and we have Step 1 Step 2 and CS and ECFMG certified.

    Two weeks ago I submitted 29 applications and have 9 interviews. I am still nervous and feel I need more for security.

    How many interviews do most people go on? What is the average of interview offers?

    What do you all think? I have rejection issues...LOL

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    Is it too late for me for 2007?

    Due to family constraints, I will have my Step 1 results at the beginning of January and then will have Step 2 in the middle of February. Anyone have any clues on how to successfully scramble? I am an American-born, US citizen. Thanks for the advice.

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    The only update that I can offer at this point is that it appears that it is definitely not too late to be applying.

    A few weeks ago on Friday, I applied to several programs. Three days later (that is, over the weekend), I received a call for an immediate interview, which I attended.

    I am also getting interviews from some big name programs. So, I gather that, perhaps, programs are still not finding the type of applicants that they are looking for and are waiting until more favorable ones come in.

    In addition, when I went on interviews, I was not thoroughly impressed by the other candidates, even though they are very good. My best advice is that it is never too late to apply because so many variables are in place. Hope this helps others.

    P.S. My personal belief is that the best applicants apply mid to late in the season. My reasoning is that more deficient applicants have to compensate by applying earlier. These applicants tend to have nothing better to do than apply (i.e. are not in school). I am sure that program directors know this. This general rule also applied during medical school and undergrad. Obviously, it is a gross generality. Finally, if you think about it, PD's tend to remember those applicants that came in late in the cycle.

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