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    Residency program from US military!

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    I m interesed in doing surgery and opthalmology for residency. However, i know those are hard to get as a IMG. Therefore, i m interesed in join up with military, if they give me the residency of choice. Does anyone know what are the requirements? And do they have a match system like regular residency programs? Furthermore, can we request the residency of our choice prior to joining military program? My concern is from what i heard sometimes the recuiter offers u the moon and the stars before u sign up, but once u signed nothing turned out rite. So if anyone has experienced with join military as a doctor, please let me know. Thank u for all ur responses.

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    I'm not a doctor in the military, but I am in the military (and, hopefully, going to med school soon). Be VERY careful of what a recruiter says-after you sign on the dotted line, someone who did not make promises to you owns your life and will make you fill your commitment to the military.
    With that said, if that is a condition of you signing on (opthalmology/surgery), you will get that residency. You'll be making a huge sacrifice on part of paycheck; you'll be moving every 3 years (which can be great--for a single person looking to travel), and the medical field in the military is MUCH different than other fields. There are great retirement benefits--if you commit 20 years, you will get half your salary every year afterwards, if you commit 30, you will get 75%.
    We are deployed in garrison, which means our schedule is like we are overseas, working 24/7; we've got more people dissatisfied with recruiters and recruiter promises than other military fields. The med guys do have it nice. My enlisted guys are most dissatisfied with this: they were promised the opportunity of an education, but, because they are in a high demand job with constantly changing hours and 12 hour shifts, they're lucky if they can take one class a year.
    I know this isn't what you were asking, but it may provide some insight. The other thing is this--are they paying your med school debt? If not, then there is no problem going with them for residency--if you get an assignment you don't want, you can opt out of the military after 3 years. If they are paying your med school debt, you owe them 8 years; you come in as a Capt and, as a doctor, you have VERY normal hours, you can see your family.
    I guess my big point is--the military is a drastic decision. Some people would have been happier settling for a second choice rather than living military life, but it is worth it for others. I will be by the clinic next week--I will put you in touch with one of the doctors so you can ask about satisfaction/residency options if you'd like.

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    I don't think that you can go to a medical school that is not on U.S. soil and get the military to pay for it. I think that you can join up AFTER you get your MD and get them to pay some of your debt, but you'd be taking such a large pay cut that it would not make fiscal sense.
    It might be easier to get into med school in Puerto Rico (a US territory), but you'd need to be fluent in Spanish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EthanHunter View Post
    I m interesed in doing surgery and opthalmology for residency. However, i know those are hard to get as a IMG. Therefore, i m interesed in join up with military, if they give me the residency of choice. Does anyone know what are the requirements? And do they have a match system like regular residency programs? Furthermore, can we request the residency of our choice prior to joining military program? My concern is from what i heard sometimes the recuiter offers u the moon and the stars before u sign up, but once u signed nothing turned out rite. So if anyone has experienced with join military as a doctor, please let me know. Thank u for all ur responses.
    Regarding the IMG, i have no clue.

    But...

    The military will not help you i believe to get you the residency of your choice. They only pay for your schooling if you enter the military and then work for them for a certain amount of years, then you can quit or stay if you will. You will have to match like any other med student.

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    The military has their own match for those with military obligations. You will not be able to attain an ophthalmology (note spelling) position in the military unless you are eligible for the military match, which consists of LCME and AOA students. Many eligible students do not match into the specialty of their choice and ultimately seek a civilian slot.

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    thanks for all ur posts!

    if anyone has addtional information, u can private message me later. For my part, i dont own the military any money. I paid for med school with my own hard earn money . I jz want to see if the military is an option for someone like me, who IMG status. I guess i will try to do more research on it before make a decision. Thanks yalls

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    Yes, correction needed

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfvgang22 View Post
    I don't think that you can go to a medical school that is not on U.S. soil and get the military to pay for it. I think that you can join up AFTER you get your MD and get them to pay some of your debt, but you'd be taking such a large pay cut that it would not make fiscal sense.
    It might be easier to get into med school in Puerto Rico (a US territory), but you'd need to be fluent in Spanish.
    Somebody correct me if I'm wrong on this.
    It is not easy to get inot medical school in Puerto Rico. Spanish is the least of your concerns, they are comtetitive and give priority to residents of the Island first. (except if you know someone important of course, its like that everywhere)Why do you think there so many Puertoricans in Med school in Guadalajara and the Dominican Republic? Because of the competition.

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    Military Residency Information (Nope... sorry)

    Quote Originally Posted by EthanHunter View Post
    I m interesed in doing surgery and opthalmology for residency. However, i know those are hard to get as a IMG. Therefore, i m interesed in join up with military, if they give me the residency of choice. Does anyone know what are the requirements? And do they have a match system like regular residency programs? Furthermore, can we request the residency of our choice prior to joining military program? My concern is from what i heard sometimes the recuiter offers u the moon and the stars before u sign up, but once u signed nothing turned out rite. So if anyone has experienced with join military as a doctor, please let me know. Thank u for all ur responses.
    I know this is an older thread, but there wasn't a firmly definitive (correct & complete) answer given that I could see. People who are interested in looking at military medicine as an option need to know what can and can't be done.

    NO, as a rule you cannot do a military residency as an FMG/IMG. (In fact, even if you are a US grad (civilian) you won't get a military residency slot, even with hot-snot grades and Step scores.) The three participating military branches (Army, Navy, and Air Force... all medical personnel with the Marine Corps are Navy) have their own match for residency slots, and these positions are all (yes, ALL) taken by students from the USUHS military medical school and HPSP scholarship grads. Those grads from this group who do not match with the military are then freed up for the civilian match, which is later. This happens every year because there are consistently more grads than there are military residency slots.

    You most certainly CANNOT request the residency of your choice when signing on with the military. Anyone who tells you that you can is lying to you. The ONLY person you should talk with about military service as a physician is a physician recruiter (not SGT Schmuckatelli who is enlisting infantry bubbas down at the strip mall... SPECIFICALLY the recruiter who deals with recruiting physicians. Look in the Blue Pages or on-line, and make double-d*** sure you have the right person.).

    The only possible path of which I am aware that might get an FMG/IMG into the military is FAP (active duty) or STRAP (reserve), which may be available to a foreign grad after completing ECFMG certification. For this program, you match yourself into a civilian residency, and (if they pick you) the military commissions you and pays you extra money during your residency. It's like a lump sum of $20,000+ plus a monthly stipend of $1200+, which is nice because it is in addition to your regular residency pay. Then, of course, you owe your military branch time as a full-fledged doc after you graduate.

    Not every service appears to be as FMG/IMG friendly (the Army may be more amenable than Navy or USAF... they have more doctors and more billets, after all), but I personally know a doc who went to Saint Matthew's University in the Carib, and completed his FM residency at Brown under the STRAP program. He is now a physician in the Army Reserve. Obviously, he was a pretty decent grad to match directly at an Ivy League program (not an affiliate).

    Bottom line, though... in order for this to be an option YOU NEED TO GET YOURSELF into the residency you want. The military won't get you into a civilian surgery or ophthalmology program, and you aren't eligible to match into the military residencies at all... but all that aside, Unca Sam might give you money if/when you match in your dream residency (assuming, again, that they accept you into FAP or STRAP).

    Again, at the risk of flogging Mr. Ed, I urge you to ONLY talk with a military medical programs PHYSICIANS recruiter about FAP or STRAP. Most enlisted recruiters won't know what these programs even are, but they might pretend to in order to get you to sign on the dotted line.

    Good luck.

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    Any IMG's currently signed up with STRAP or FAP? Please send me a private message. Also any military recruiters who are intimately familiar with these programs, please feel free to contact me via private message. Thank you!

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