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    Primary Care MD Salary?

    How much money does an internist or a family doc make in primary care? Relatively speaking?

    I'm interested in getting a N.D. (doctor of naturalpathic medicine) degree after my residency. These schools will take me into their program with advance standing if I hold a license to practice allopathic medicine.

    N.Ds from 5-6 schools are eligibe to practice in California after passing the board exam and they make $200/HR and see avg. 10 pts per day.

    I'm wondering if say setting up a shop in a nice place (Beverly Hills/Boca Raton) and accept only cash from wealthy people.

    Not a lof of overheads too coz you prob don't need assistants. And I guess you can incorporate allopathic medicine for acute cases by prescribing drugs...etc.

    What do you guys think?

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    Waivers just make the doc feel better. You can still get sued despite the waiver. Look at all the famous divorce cases where there has been a prenup and the woman sues for a ton more and wins. If your treatment doesn't meet the standards of care, then you are providing substandard care. Medical boards don't like that. G
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    MD Salaries

    If you go to several job websites they can tell you what the average Primary Care doctor earns. Actually there are different types of primary care physicians. Internal Medicine doctors make around $150,000 a year, Pediatricians around $130,000 a year, General Practitioners around $150,000. Specialists earn over the $200,000 range, though specialists often have bigger responsibilities and liablities and more pressure.

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    george, are you saying that "bear whiz" is therapuetical? hmm, maybe i should hang out under a tree full of honey


    If you do get me some as well I have an excellent recipe for that. goes great with tobasco and Jim Beam

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    Quote Originally Posted by FLK View Post
    well I think ND's do not practice evidence based " medicine"

    and I think there are a lot of people in Beverly Hills or hollywood that will pay big money for the plaecbo effect and for somebody to tell them to eat a balanced diet and get plenty of exercise and sleep

    not to mention you can then get your license and prescribe controlled substances to go with your goose liver extract.

    They can call you Dr Feelgood. I think Winona needs a new PMD
    in fact, you could set up a clinic over the viper room on sunset blvd


    dunno, maybe after you complete your residency you'll have a diff opinion on that.

    anyway, primary care docs aren't earning 200$ an hour. ( that's 400K a year based on a 40 hr work week )
    as I inspect my last check, my hourly rate at my primary job is 96$ an hour after 6 years post grad training!

    maybe I need to start prescribing fairy dust I can double my hourly rate!

    a fairly biased view of the topic can be found at A Close Look at Naturopathy

    I did find this passage particularly entertaining


    Naturopathy's grandiose claims attracted the sharp pen of Morris Fishbein, M.D., who edited the Journal of the American Medical Association and spearheaded the AMA's antiquackery campaign for several decades. He noted:

    Whereas most cults embrace a single conception as to the cause and healing of disease, naturopathy embraces everything in nature. . . .

    The real naturopaths were, of course, such healers as Father Kneipp . . . and others who advocated natural living and healed by use of sunlight, baths, fresh air, and cold water, but there is little money to be made by these methods. Hence the modern naturopath embraces every form of healing that offers opportunity for exploitation. [10]

    The practices Fishbein debunked included:

    Aeropathy: baking the patient in a hot oven
    Alereos system: spinal manipulation plus heat and mechanical vibration
    Astral healing: diagnosis and advice based on reading the patient's horoscope
    Autohemic therapy: giving a solution made by modifying and "potentizing" a few drops of the patient's blood
    Autotherapy: treating infections with potions made from the patient's infected tissues or excretions
    Biodynamochromic diagnosis and therapy: administering colored lights while thumping on the patient's abdomen
    Bloodwashing with herbs
    Chromopathy: healing with colored lights
    Electrotherapy with various devices
    Geotherapy: treating disease with little pads of earth
    Irido-diagnosis: diagnosis based on eye markings -- now called iridology
    Pathiatry: self-administration of spinal adjustment, massage, and traction
    Porotherapy: treatment applied through the pores of the skin to the nerves said to the control internal organs
    Practo-therapy, a fancy term for intestinal irrigation
    Sanatology, based on the notion that acidosis and toxicosis are the two basic causes of all disease
    Somapathy: spinal adjustment followed by applications of cold or extreme heat
    Tropo-therapy with special nutritional foods
    Vit-O-Pathy, a combination of 36 other systems
    Zodiac therapy, combining astrology and herbs
    Zonotherapy (now called reflexology): pressing on various parts of the body to heal disease in designated body "zones." [10]
    You wrote about autotherapy. What you think about stop a period by autotherapy? i've read nice article about this How to stop a period by autotherapy I'm interesting to know your opinion about this.

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    Primary care does not make money! I switched over to urgent care and I make a lot more. If you're tired of DM, htn, lipid mgmt... look into ER or urgent care. I remember when I first got out of FM residency, starting salary that were presented to me ranged from 190k-220k on a 8-5 M-F with rotating calls, and never ending charting... I thought hard about and couldn't bite the bait... The urgent care that I'm working for, I make 350k yearly, and no charts. But there are other ways to make money... 1) start your own LLC and be a independent contractor 2) start your own practice.

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    350k!?? My Urgent Care colleagues make closer to 200k. 350k is well above national average. That is an incredible salary.

    https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/u...RCH_KO0,21.htm
    Urgent Care Physician Salary: Average Pay, Salary Range, Hourly Wage | Doctor Salaries

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    I think your friends are not compensated correctly ... plus, You can't trust Glassdoor. A lot of places are starting around $120 -140 per hr on a 12 hr shift.

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