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    Did he die from AIDS?

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    so i've been reading things about his death and alot of people think he had AIDS. you know who im talking about.

    reported symptoms:

    low platelet count
    colapsed immune system
    loss of 1/3 of body weight
    slight dementia
    carposis sarcoma
    Parkinsonian tremors
    history of homosexuality
    cancer and poisening ruled out

    Other than the ruled-out cancer, the low count could be attributed to bleeding ulcers, colitis, liver disease, lupus, or HIV. It is believed that ulcers and colitis have already been ruled out

    my questions:

    is it true that Hopital d'Instruction des Armees de Percy, southwest of Paris, is known to have some of France's best HIV/AIDS doctors
    why such privacy?
    is there some new disease that will be named after him?


    thanks

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    Dunno

    I assume you are speaking of Arafat.

    There are quite a few problems in the differential. He didn't have the "look" of the typical end-stage AIDS patient. One could argue that if he had it he would have known, and certainly would have been treated.

    You need to consider a bunch of other problems. Could have been liver failure caused by any number of things, TTP (Thrombotic thrombocytopenia purpura), even something like leptospirosis. Who knows. I doubt he had AIDS. Just my opinion. G
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    also

    kaposi's sarcoma is no aids related in the middle east isn't it?
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    Re: also

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    kaposi's sarcoma is no aids related in the middle east isn't it?
    Not always AIDS related, but is most commonly seen in that condition. It can be seen in immunosuppressed people. There is an association with KS and HHV-8
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    Re: Did he die from AIDS?

    Quote Originally Posted by FrenchFrie
    ...alot of people think he had AIDS...history of homosexuality...
    I would like to ascertain where you got this information?

    Thank you.

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    Re: Did he die from AIDS?

    Quote Originally Posted by giggles
    Quote Originally Posted by FrenchFrie
    ...alot of people think he had AIDS...history of homosexuality...
    I would like to ascertain where you got this information?

    Thank you.
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    Arafat theories include AIDS, poisoning plot


    By Jennifer Joan Lee
    THE WASHINGTON TIMES


    PARIS — Right to the very end, some Palestinian officials believe Yasser Arafat was poisoned by Israeli security forces.
    Outside physicians cite a number of rare blood orders that would account for the leader's rapid deterioration. Palestinian officials confirmed that Mr. Arafat died early today at the military hospital outside Paris.
    But one of the most persistent theories is that Mr. Arafat was suffering from AIDS.
    "The doctors until now could not diagnose precisely what is wrong with him, but it is believed there is a poison," Ali Kazak, who heads the Palestinian delegation to Australia, was quoted as saying in the Australian newspaper Herald Sun.
    Such suspicions are grounded in Israel's bungled attempt to poison Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal in Jordan in 1997, only to provide Jordanian officials with the antidote.
    Other conditions that have been mentioned as possible causes of Mr. Arafat's illness have included an absence of folic acid in the diet, as well as pernicious anemia, an autoimmune disorder. Yet another possibility, doctors have said, is an extremely rare blood disorder known as TTP, which stands for thrombotic thrombocytopenic purpura.
    Initial blood tests that were performed in the West Bank, before Mr. Arafat was airlifted last month to Paris for treatment, apparently revealed a low count of blood platelets, components that aid clotting.
    "There's no way to guess" based on his low platelet count alone, because that can be symptom of almost any sickness, said Dr. Stephen Emerson, chief of hematology at the University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine.
    Among conditions that can have that effect, Dr. Emerson said, and that conceivably might have a role in Mr. Arafat's death could include "blood infections, severe vascular disease, and a syndrome known as DIC, which stands for disseminated intravascular coagulation." The latter, he said, is a condition in which there is "simultaneous bleeding and clotting."
    Former White House speechwriter ***** Frum wrote in the National Review that Mr. Arafat probably had AIDS.
    "We know he has a blood disease that is depressing his immune system. We know that he has suddenly dropped considerable weight — possibly as much as one-third of all his body weight. We know that he is suffering intermittent mental dysfunction. What does this sound like?" Mr. Frum wrote.
    The article cites the memoirs of former Romanian intelligence chief Ion Pacepa, who said the Ceaucescu regime taped Mr. Arafat's orgies with his bodyguards.
    Official declarations on the state of his health also had been tainted with contradiction: Within a 24-hour period from Tuesday to Wednesday, Palestinian officials and French medical staff variously had pronounced Mr. Arafat, 75, as being everything from "in critical condition but still alive," to "dead" to "in a difficult situation, but we wish him a speedy recovery."
    Part of the problem stems from France's strict medical privacy laws, which prohibit doctors from disclosing any information without the permission of family members, in this case, Mr. Arafat's wife, Suha.
    Mrs. Arafat, who had accused Palestinian officials of toppling their longtime leader, had, until Tuesday, forbidden anyone, including a visiting Palestinian delegation, from gaining access to her husband or his medical team. Mrs. Arafat herself also remained tight-lipped.
    According to France's code of medical ethics, doctors are bound to a secrecy that covers "all that the doctor has come to know in the practice of his profession, that is, not only what has been confided to him, but also what he has seen, heard or understood."
    The law goes on to say that a fatal prognosis must not be revealed except with discretion, but those who are "close" to the patient should be warned, except where the patient had previously prohibited it.
    "The code does not define what is meant by 'close,' " said Laurent Assaya, a French lawyer. "I am not aware of any case law defining the term either."
    France's privacy laws are so strictly enforced that they even survive the death of a patient. When the doctor of former French President Francois Mitterrand tried to publish a book about his prostate cancer — which had remained a secret up to that point — shortly after his death in 1996, the courts banned its release and Mr. Mitterrand's family was awarded damages.
    Doctors who had treated Mr. Arafat at the Percy Military Training Hospital on the outskirts of Paris had disclosed only that he was in a coma and his condition was deteriorating; that he was connected to a respirator and a feeding tube; and that he had suffered a severe brain hemorrhage.
    On Tuesday, publicly acknowledging Mr. Arafat's coma for the first time, a hospital spokesman said that Mr. Arafat's deteriorating condition "marked a significant stage in an evolution in which the prognosis is reserved."
    That day, Palestinian officials also finally gained access to Mr. Arafat in the hospital's intensive-care unit after his wife gave in to their demands.
    Emerging from a meeting with Mr. Arafat's doctors, Palestinian Foreign Minister Nabil Shaath revealed the first detailed description of the Palestinian leader's state of health.
    He said that Mr. Arafat had suffered a "variety of digestive-tract ailments" during his three-year siege in his Ramallah headquarters at the hands of the Israeli army, and as a result, had "serious inflammations of the stomach and the intestines ... along with a period without nutrition, and this led to deterioration in the situation of the blood chemistry and the blood composition."
    •Joyce Howard Price contributed to this report from Washington.


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    Does Arafat have AIDS?
    With still no public diagnosis, some suggesting HIV may be cause

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    Posted: November 4, 2004
    1:00 a.m. Eastern


    By Aaron Klein
    © 2004 WorldNetDaily.com


    With doctors claiming they have still not diagnosed Yasser Arafat despite a week of hospitalization and extensive testing, some commentators have been suggesting the PLO leader may be suffering from AIDS.

    Arafat's condition suddenly deteriorated last night and he was placed in intensive care at the Paris military hospital where he was brought for treatment Friday, Palestinian officials said.
    Arafat has been ill for more than two weeks. Doctors say they've performed extensive tests, and still don't know what he has. Initial blood work performed in the West Bank revealed a low blood platelet count – a sign of a weakened immune system. In addition to cancer, which doctors have ruled out, the low count could be attributed to bleeding ulcers, colitis, liver disease, lupus, HIV, or a host of other diseases. Ulcers and colitis have been ruled out, as well, it is believed.

    Some have been speculating Arafat might be suffering from HIV/AIDS.

    The homosexual site, 365Gay.com, which deals regularly with issues related to HIV/AIDS, ran a piece yesterday reminding readers that, for several years, it has been suggested Arafat is bisexual, and could have contracted the disease.

    "If suggestions that Arafat has AIDS are true, it is doubtful it would be made public," wrote 365Gay.com European bureau chief Malcolm Thornberry.

    National Review diarist ***** Frum suggested in his column this week Arafat contracted AIDS from homosexual sex with his bodyguards.

    Ion Pacepa, who was deputy chief of Romanian foreign intelligence under the Ceaucescu regime and who defected to the West in 1978, says in his memoirs the Romania government bugged Arafat and had recordings of the Arab leader in orgies with his security detail.

    Various Israeli security sources have in the past suggested publicly Arafat might be homosexual. They've claimed Arafat's former personal driver – a Mossad double agent – used to find teenage boys to bring back to the PLO leader. His wife, Suha, mostly lived abroad and rarely saw her husband.


    Interestingly, Israel's intelligence community, with some of the best capabilities in the world, doesn't know which disease Arafat is suffering from, sources told WorldNetDaily. In fact, Israel has been presented with no evidence – aside from a formal PA request for the transfer of Arafat – that the Palestinian leader is actually ill, sources say.

    "I don't know what [illness] Arafat has," Ariel Sharon's spokesperson Raanan Gissis told WorldNetDaily last week. "Our only involvement was to extend our consideration to the perceived humanitarian problem. This is only for medical treatment, and has nothing to do with our overall consideration of Arafat and the terrorism he directs."

    Arafat's trip to Paris marked the first time the PLO leader was allowed to leave his battered Ramallah compound since 2002.

    With Arafat increasingly isolated in the international community, he has much to gain by escaping the confines of his two year virtual imprisonment. If he gets better, he may have the option of traveling to Arab and European capitals, where he could gather support for his continued leadership.

    Bush and Sharon effectively have persuaded foreign leaders to disregard Arafat because of his direct involvement in terrorism and failure to make peace for his people. Many have agreed that a second Bush term would be the final nail in Arafat's political coffin.



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    Aaron Klein is WorldNetDaily's special Middle East correspondent, whose past interview subjects have included Yasser Arafat, Ehud Barak, Shlomo Ben Ami and leaders of the Taliban.
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    yuck!

    Ion Pacepa, who was deputy chief of Romanian foreign intelligence under the Ceaucescu regime and who defected to the West in 1978, says in his memoirs the Romania government bugged Arafat and had recordings of the Arab leader in orgies with his security detail.
    Now that's loyalty....of course they'd take a bullet for their boss, but to take....oh, nevermind...*shudder*
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    Re: also

    Quote Originally Posted by teratos
    Quote Originally Posted by rrod
    kaposi's sarcoma is no aids related in the middle east isn't it?
    Not always AIDS related, but is most commonly seen in that condition. It can be seen in immunosuppressed people. There is an association with KS and HHV-8
    middle easern older men often get KS and not aids related. KS in Aids pts seems only to be associated with sexual transmission for reasons unknown (last I checked) but not transfusion. Interesting speculation. however those symptoms are things that abound in many diseases.
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    now all i can do is speculate as well.

    what worries me is.......... after 9/11..... arafat donated blood for the victims.......... where did that blood go?

    if this aids revalation is true (but i strongly doubt it until there is proof), would he knowingly donate blood that is tainted?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott1981
    now all i can do is speculate as well.

    what worries me is.......... after 9/11..... arafat donated blood for the victims.......... where did that blood go?

    if this aids revalation is true (but i strongly doubt it until there is proof), would he knowingly donate blood that is tainted?
    uh.. don't blood transfusions get screened anyways? So there must be a record somewhere
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