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    You Gotta Love Marines

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    Great story!
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    To respect to privacy is a norm; but to have symphaty for homosexuals and to back them is not. Though I know once a social movement starts, big masses join in and flow with the crowd, and I know that humans love to label some objects with some properties and live their feelings over those objects with strong hates, strong loves or strong pities, I also know that brain takes at top of our bodies. A basic true to me is: We cant stand-up against nature. If you do that, nature sweeps over us. We can drive nature to a degree, but not fight.

    With all my due respect on their personal choices, and more important than that, their feelings for each other, I dont back homosexuality and I see a need to expressly express that.

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    Don't feed the bigoted troll.

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    To respect to privacy is a norm; but to have symphaty for homosexuals and to back them is not. Though I know once a social movement starts, big masses join in and flow with the crowd, and I know that humans love to label some objects with some properties and live their feelings over those objects with strong hates, strong loves or strong pities, I also know that brain takes at top of our bodies. A basic true to me is: We cant stand-up against nature. If you do that, nature sweeps over us. We can drive nature to a degree, but not fight.

    With all my due respect on their personal choices, and more important than that, their feelings for each other, I dont back homosexuality and I see a need to expressly express that.
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    What does "bigoted troll" mean?

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    Why do you feel that you "need" to express your lack of support for homosexuality? I suggest learning how natural homosexuality is accross various animal species including homo sapiens.

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    Tipton I find it harmful in long term. We are looking around and yes dont see any harm, but in long term it opens an unfair path for other humans this time. Say for instance two gays had a life together, ok this is their choice. Later if they want to have kids, which is very much possible, who will be the model for this kid? Human learns over modelling to be man/woman, to love.. those concepts are developed by modelling. Say you are a gay and have a relationship. You adopted a baby girl. Who will be the model for that girl? Who will have a leading role in her sexual identity?

    Personally I have religional resons as well. But including all everybody which may be atheist or may not recognize this point as a true, still there are common concerns for our future. We may prefer to be gays, this is our right in our own lives. But we may not prefer someone else to live our choices for our happiness and to lose their very natural rights like having a woman mother and man father and to be born in a natural family. And this is only one point, there are other concerns as well, if we think in detail.

    By the way, yes, there are many reproduction forms in nature, but homo sapiens is a heterosexual species. I mean homo sapiens reproduces by the sexual intercourse of a female and a male homo sapienses. You can have intercourse with even a bottle (which is a real life example), but to do a bottle doesnt make it natural.

    Actually to have a man to man/woman to woman love is very much precious, but to love nowadays is such an expensive feeling to pay that, if homosexuality wouldnt be kinda haven for today's unsatisfied humans, I think it wouldnt be leaned over that much.

    PS: I skipped your question: I "need", because if we dont talk, we dont understand various aspects of our reasons (by that regard homosexuality is a wide world and I still need to know more about them). On the other hand, humans have an inclination to take place on the side of power, trend, appreciation etc. So especially because of this reason, if something is wrong to me, there is a "need" to stand up and have my say, even if I am the only one.
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    You have clearly never taken advantage of any opportunities tolearn how gay couples have sucessfully raised children they have adopted. Learn more before you simply reject something out of hand.

    Your "need" to express yourself is understandable. I hope you also gain the "need" to learn more about gay people before you judge them further.

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    ...how gay couples have sucessfully raised children they have adopted...
    How really Tipton? It is such a new development that we dont have a good number of results to make a judgement to say "successful". Actually I am not against of a specific group of people, never mind who they are. My concern at this point is not to give harm to others(though its not the only point I am interested in, but the most common concern is this I think).

    This explanation comes from a pediatric neuro-psychiatrist, Prof.Sabiha Paktuna Keskin, who had part of her education, especially about neuro-psychiatry in pediatrics, in US:
    In human development(actually in many animals too), the baby needs a role model to learn. Also in sexual identity development actually the baby is in interection with his/her parents. Lets take the baby is a girl. She has a sexual contact with the first man in her life, the daddy. But given that the first lady for daddy is the mommy, she develops both a competition and modelling with the mommy. Mommy is the way to win the daddy, she is the woman that daddy loves. So baby girl feels that the way to win the daddy is passing through being like the mommy. And she begins to develop the woman in herself as she observes in her mommy.

    If Stanley and Joshua adopts a baby girl, who will be that mommy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bidiboom View Post
    Tipton I find it harmful in long term.Long term? You know that ancient Greeks practiced homosexual acts, and it was considered normal within their society. We are looking around and yes dont see any harm, but in long term it opens an unfair path for other humans this time.The only harm I see is 50% divorce rates from straight marriages. Say for instance two gays had a life together, ok this is their choice. Later if they want to have kids, which is very much possible, who will be the model for this kid? The parents. Human learns over modelling to be man/woman, to love<----Ironic.. those concepts are developed by modeling Yup.. Say you are a gay and have a relationship. You adopted a baby girl. Who will be the model for that girl? Usually the successful gay couple who are statistically favored to be more educated and successful. Who will have a leading role in her sexual identity? Her sexual identity is already determined at birth.

    Personally I have religional resons as well. Now thats a shocker. But including all everybody which may be atheist Agnostic, actually.or may not recognize this point as a true, still there are common concerns for our future. Again, I would put the biggest threats as religion and as ever increasing divorce rates. But for some unknown reason divorcing is not considered a threat. We may prefer to be gays, FABULOUS! this is our right in our own lives. But we may not prefer someone else to live our choices for our happiness and to lose their very natural rights like having a woman mother and man father and to be born in a natural family. What exactly is a NATURAL family? And this is only one point, there are other concerns as well, if we think in detail.

    By the way, yes, there are many reproduction forms in nature, but homo sapiens is a heterosexual species. Wrong. I mean homo sapiens reproduces by the sexual intercourse of a female and a male homo sapienses. You can have intercourse with even a bottle (which is a real life example), but to do a bottle doesnt make it natural. Masterbation is very normal.

    Actually to have a man to man/woman to woman love is very much precious, but to love nowadays is such an expensive feeling to pay that, if homosexuality wouldnt be kinda haven for today's unsatisfied humans, I think it wouldnt be leaned over that much.

    PS: I skipped your question: I "need", because if we dont talk, we dont understand various aspects of our reasons (by that regard homosexuality is a wide world and I still need to know more about them).I could sense that you're curious. On the other hand, humans have an inclination to take place on the side of power, trend, appreciation etc. So especially because of this reason, if something is wrong to me, there is a "need" to stand up and have my say, even if I am the only one.
    If you want to blame people for homosexuality, you should blame the straight couples for making gay babies. But I don't think there is anyone to blame because sexuality, just like everything else in life, is made up of many shades of grey. I doubt you can understand my reasoning, as it takes an open mind.
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