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    No comparison!

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    You are trying to compare US medical education to some 3rd World medical education.

    1.All US schools (with an exception of a few DO ones), have been established long before any Caribbean school-as far as I can tell.

    2.US schools have better funding available form state, federal, and private sources (Aside from charging an arm in the leg, like Carib. Schools do-merely for profit), therefore, they are able to afford better facilities, and better Professor (the ones who win the Nobel prize.

    3.Students in US schools are better academically, since US schools are more selective), thus they are more likely to ace the board.

    I can go on and on and on….so you really need to be realistic. If you decide to go to a Carib, or any other foreign school, that’s up to you, but you should realize that there is really no comparison.

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    i beg to differ

    I am now teaching US studenst in the SE. many have the "I am at a US school, I dont need to try" attitude, and thusly score barely passing on boards, sometimes taking more then 1 shot at step 1. and even the average ones are no better then the average students in my class at Ross. residency has been a big eye opener. we are not so far behind at all. interestingly, onthe webpage for the ACP, at www.acponline.com , they talk about getting into a fellowship for cardio, and the ranking of PDs concerns. US or IMG was alll the way down to number 8 on their list of things to worry about on an app.

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    DO u know howmany students enter the medical school based on Legacy preference

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    Students in US schools are better academically, since US schools are more selective), thus they are more likely to ace the board.


    I have seen us graduate does not even know how to read Tcom data.

    Last year more 120,000 patients died due to doctors mistakes in the USA.

    many more no time to write everythings

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    what's your point? THat mistakes are made because they are US trained? Very poor reasoning if it is. The bottom line is that you go to a US school over an IMG school if you get the chance because you have better opportunities; med school is more like high school than college-its about making the grades not finding yourself. Take a year off and travel if that's what you want to do.
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    No comparison!

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    3.Students in US schools are better academically, since US schools are more selective), thus they are more likely to ace the board.

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    let's subject this to statistical validation.

    if this claim was an odds ratio, the 95% confidence interval would cross 1.

    ...or to put it into easier terms : Many US students FAIL the USMLE. Many Caribbean students score in the top 5th percentile on the USMLE

    on whole, yes US students have better scores, but since the admissions process is imperfect, and there is a surplus of applicants, you can see where there are many people that gain admittance to US medical schools ( legacy, URM's etc) that are FAR BELOW the ability of some students attending Caribbean schools.
    The USMLE scores merely validate this assertion

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    How many of these were "killed" by IMGs?

    Of the 120000 patients who died?

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    How many of these were "killed" by IMGs?

    Quote Originally Posted by dr_dre
    How many of these were "killed" by IMGs?
    Also very poor reasoning dre. anyone who practices medicine in the U.S. went through a U.S. residency, can't blame poor physician practices on their med school (no matter where it is ) as much as you can on their residency training. BTW do you have the stats of IMGs and US grads who have made medication errors?
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    Some off shore schools have similar or better USMLE passing rate than US average, including the mean score. This means, 50% of US medical schools have LOWER passing rates/average scores on USMLE than some carib schools. Many carib grads score above 250 on Step I. Some carib schools have similar GPA/MCAT averages among their incoming freshmen when compared to the average accepted US freshmen in med school. Some carib schools have a higher percentage of students who hold advanced/terminal degrees before coming to medical school when compared to US schools.

    And the best part -- I teach US students along side carib students now on a daily basis -- there are no differences between the two group as a whole as far as medical knowledge. As far as work ethics -- umm... US students as a whole tend to disappear early in the afternoon, bail out early on call days... and hard to find on weekends.

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    Sorry!

    Sorry, just being facetious! (LOL)...No harm intended!

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    No comparison!

    You are trying to compare US medical education to some 3rd World medical education.

    1.All US schools (with an exception of a few DO ones), have been established long before any Caribbean school-as far as I can tell.


    UASD, Universidad Autonoma Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic Founded October 28, 1538 The oldest school in America. The Medical Division probably began some time after 1538
    http://www.uasd.edu.do/index2.htm




    2.US schools have better funding available form state, federal, and private sources (Aside from charging an arm in the leg, like Carib. Schools do-merely for profit), therefore, they are able to afford better facilities, and better Professor (the ones who win the Nobel prize.


    Nobel laureates on staff while you are trying to suck in basic sciences relevance to learning, ? perhaps = 0 you tell me. Researchers are infamous to reluctantly teach but the contract may require them to leave the laboratory for this.



    3.Students in US schools are better academically, since US schools are more selective), thus they are more likely to ace the board.


    Syllabi are geared to USMLE, and has been likened to a 2 year Kaplan course by some.

    I can go on and on and on….so you really need to be realistic. If you decide to go to a Carib, or any other foreign school, that’s up to you, but you should realize that there is really no comparison.[/quote]



    The knowledge you can emerge with can be the same, less, or greater from any US or Caribe or other location in the world for ANY of the students at any school.

    The big difference is if you graduate from a LCME school you are labeled as politically correct and seen as acceptable to training programs surgical subspecialties, derm, optho, ent, etc etc as organized medicine rates the quality of these programs by the % of AMG they fill with.

    Thus, if Opthalmology Residency were to fill 100% with FRCS (fellow royal college surgery certified) opthalmologists from abroad their program would garnish a low low quality rating but if they filled 100% with graduates from Indiana State university they would be a high quality program.


    Ever heard the phrase "thinking outside the box"?



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