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    University of Medical Sciences in Poznań (a.k.a. Karol Marcinkowski University of Medical Sciences)

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    Karol Marcinkowski University of Medical Sciences in Poznań officially changed its English name to the University of Medical Sciences in Poznań, in the spring of 2003. In order to reflect this change, I'm starting this new thread for all past, present, or future students of UMS in Poznań (or KMU as it was formerly called). I hope this will be a place to ask questions, share experiences, advice, or whatever one feels like talking about.

    With that said, let the posting begin....

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    Useful websites about UMS in Poznañ

    For all of those interested in finding out more about the Univeristy of Medical Sciences in Poznań, here are some interesting links about the school.

    The University's main website--> http://www.amp.edu.pl/

    The University's North American Office Website--> http://www.mdprogram.com/

    UMS Poznań's American Student Government Website
    http://www.asg.amp.edu.pl/


    Here's a couple of links to web pages with multiple links about the city of Poznań-->
    http://www.poznan.pl/

    http://main.amu.edu.pl/~zbzw/wp/wwwpoz.html
    Happy surfing!

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    reply to jsahni

    Quote Originally Posted by jsahni
    Would I be allowed to do my clinicals in the USA if I went to Poznan?

    We were required to complete 16 weeks of clinical electives during our 4th year, which most students choose to do in the US. It may be possible to get course credit for some of your core rotations in the 3rd year, by doing them in US. You would need permission from the Dean and the agreement of the course professor. Most likely you would have to take each course's final exam in Poznan in order to get full credit. I think it would be realistic to arrange something like this for Psych and Surgery. Peds and Int Med might also be possible. You would have to do OB/Gyn in Poznan for sure, as that course prof will not give you permission to do it abroad. Its not a prob as Ob/Gyn is one of the best courses offered in the 3rd year. The hospital is awesome and there are plenty of opportunities for hands on experience on the in the O.R., on the L&D floor, and on the wards in general.

    I've copied and pasted a reply post that I wrote from the "Studying in Poland" thread. I covered this topic in more depth there. Let me know if you have any other questions.

    ctk


    highlandpoet wrote:
    hi ctkMD2003
    i just wanted to ask you whether poznan, has clinical rotations in the u.s ,
    and if any other schools have clinicals in the u.s, i'm studying in ukraine and have a lot of freinds from poland (esp krakow) and they've never heard of this.
    and for those people who think that polish schools, are a waste of time, try coming to ukraine or russia, you'll have a field day.
    thx


    Hilandpoet-

    I'll try to shed some light on this subject....

    YES. The Poznan University of Medical Sciences (formally known as Karol Marcinkowski University of Medical Sciences) does allow students to take electives in the US. Each student is required to complete at least 16 weeks of electives during their 4th year, either during the 1st semester or 2nd semester. Most students actually try to arrange more than 16 weeks of elective coursework in the US, as it is a great opportunity to "shop yourself" to programs that you are interested. More importantly, it is an important exposure to what life will be like in residency.

    The University itself does not arrange the elective coursework for students. Each student must apply on their own (which really isn't that bad- contact the program you are interested in doing an elective at, ask if they accept visiting students and if so, get an application sent to you or download it from their website and go from there).

    Back to my previous point about doing more than 16 weeks of electives in the US....I ended up doing 20 weeks (5 electives). It is possible to do more than this for the really motivated student. For example, the 3rd year of studies usually finishes at the end of June, so techinically speaking, if one chooses to do their electives during the 1st semester, they would have from July through January to do electives. Collectively that is roughly about 28 weeks or 7 electives.

    I've heard that the Akademia Medyczna (Medical Academy) in Lublin & in Katowice, do have affiliations with some hospitals in the US. I'm not completely sure what the requirements are, but I have been told that one needs to successfully pass Step 1 in order to do their 3rd year and 4th in the US. For more info, you might want to contact them directly. Please be aware that Lublin and Katowice are affiliated with HMI, and I don't recommend them to people. HMI is very sketchy.

    The bottom line is this... if you want to study in Poland, your best choice is to stay with the top 2 universities: #1 UMS in Poznan or #2 Jagellonian Univ in Krakow.

    Sorry to have digressed a bit. I hope I've answered your question(s). Feel free to post any other ?'s. I'll do my best to respond promptly.

    Best Regards,
    ctkmd2003

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    Poznan Cali Approval

    I've heard this school's english program is not approved by medical board of california...is that true?

    Jerry

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    Poznan Cali Approval

    Quote Originally Posted by JerryY
    I've heard this school's english program is not approved by medical board of california...is that true?

    Jerry
    The only two schools that have English language programs that are approved in the Eastern European region are both in Hungary, Semmelweis (Budapest) and Szeged. Other schools are in the process of applying. If you have questions about which schools are approved or in which stage of the process they are in, you should contact Ms. Patricia Park, Foreign Schools Liaison, Licensing Program, California Medical Board at (916) 263-2367, or e-mail PPark@medbd.ca.gov.

    Anyone have additional information?

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    University of Medical Sciences in Poznań (a.k.a. Karol Marcinkowski University of Medical Sciences)

    Hi,

    I'm very interested in the University of Medical Sciences in Poznań. How hard are the clinicals if your primary language is English? And are there any fees beyond what is listed on the website? The quote is about $23-24,000 a year total. There is not much posted here regarding this school anything would help!!

    Thanks.........Gerry

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    UMS Poznan- Cali approval

    Jerry,

    Thanks for posting here! I was beginning to think that noone was interested in this thread. Ironic that you wrote to me about Cali approval at this time, as I just received an email from the UMS Dean's Office about this. They are in the process of applying for California approval. They sent out an email to all graduates of the University about reporting their USMLE statistics.

    In the past, the University was not strict enough in collecting USMLE info from the students. I believe this caused them to run into problems with Cali approval. However, in the past 2-3 years they instituted several changes to correct this situation.

    From my understanding, it is now mandatory for all students receiving US Stafford loans to report their scores/attempts. The University also requires (starting with the 1st year students) that all 4yr program students complete Step 1 by the end of the 2nd year of studies. In previous years, many students completed the program without sitting for the boards. Following graduation, many of them took a year off to write both Steps, and many did not report their scores back to the University.

    I am confident that the recent changes in their will be of great benefit to the 4yr program. I am not sure what else is needed for Cali approval, but I will post any info I received in this thread.

    If you have any other ?'s, please feel free to ask!

    Regards,
    ctkMD

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    University of Medical Sciences in Poznañ (a.k.a. Karol Marcinkowski University of Medical Sciences)

    Gerry,

    English was also my primary language when I began my studies in Poznań. However, if you have an open mind and are willing to learn you can pick up the Polish language rather quickly. It is really beneficial to make friends with Polish med students as this will help assimilate you into the culture more quickly.

    From a language standpoint, clinicals were not that difficult because I had learned enough Polish to communicate with the patients. We had a Polish language course during the 1st year of our studies, which helped to lear a lot of the basics. The attendings that you work with will translate for you and there are usually several Polish-American students, in each year, so it wasn't really a problem.

    I, however, believe that one would have a richer clinical experience if he/she is able to communicate directly with patients. Here are my recommendations to beating the language barrier:

    1. Buy a Polish phrasebook and/or text BEFORE you move to Poland. This a great way to get a jump start on the basics. Many of these books also come with audio tapes/cds.

    2. Sign up for an intensive Polish language course BEFORE you begin classes in Poznań. I know for a fact that there is a language school for foreigners in Katowice. They teach people to become fluent within 6 months. Also Jagellonian University in Kraków also has summer Polish courses, check out this link: http://www2.uj.edu.pl/SL/

    3. Seek out friendships with Polish people and don't limit yourself to hanging out only with students in your program. I've seen people do this and by the time they graduated they only knew how to say "yes" or "no" in Polish. If you are single, dating a Polish person is a sure fire way to become fluent in a shorter period of time.

    4. Don't be afraid to speak!! Even if you only know one or two words, use them!! You will make progress and people will feel flattered that you are making the effort to speak their language.


    The following was copied from the UMS North American website...

    The expenses for academic year 2002-03 are estimated as follows:
    All amounts in US Dollars.

    Tuition $12,500

    Room (1st year students) $2,500

    Malpractice Insurance $100
    Meals (self purchase) $2,900

    Books and Supplies (self purchase) $1000

    Transportation to Poznan (group trip) $1,100

    Living Expenses (self purchase) $3,500

    Approximate Total $23,600

    *Single students over 24 years of age
    Prices may be subject to change. Estimates are calculated by the University and published in the Student Handbook each year.


    The above includes an estimate of $200 monthly for personal expenses.

    There are no registration, administrative, or placement fees.



    It is really difficult to approximate finances per year because so many variables are unfixed. Tuition is fixed and so is malpractice insurance (it was just raised to about $200/year). But depending how you like to live, this estimate can increase or decrease. I would estimate that I spent about $25,000 per year, and it was more than enough to live very comfortably. If you are frugal, you can do it for less.

    I hope that this helps out somewhat. Let me know if you have any other ?'s.

    Best Regards,
    ctkMD

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    University of Medical Sciences in Poznań (a.k.a. Karol Marcinkowski University of Medical Sciences)

    Thanks for the reply "ctkmd2003". Do you know what type of GPA and MCAT scores they are looking for? Also, if your GPA was a little low would good patient care experience help? I've been a Paramedic for 13 years, but my GPA is not great. I am currently a Professor in a community college teaching Paramedics and still work as a Paramedic/Firefighter.

    Thanks ........ Gerry

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    University of Medical Sciences in Poznań (a.k.a. Karol Marcinkowski University of Medical Sciences)

    Quote Originally Posted by gvanderv
    Thanks for the reply "ctkmd2003". Do you know what type of GPA and MCAT scores they are looking for? Also, if your GPA was a little low would good patient care experience help? I've been a Paramedic for 13 years, but my GPA is not great. I am currently a Professor in a community college teaching Paramedics and still work as a Paramedic/Firefighter.

    Thanks ........ Gerry
    Gerry,

    I'm not sure what the exact numbers are for admission requirements. I don't think that a low GPA will automatically exclude you. Furthermore, I know that some students have been admitted without taking the MCAT. I think that what matters in these cases are extracurricular experience (like yourself), proven ability to succeed, good rec letters, and a good interview. I think that your background would help you significantly. I studied with several others with a similar background as yours and they have all gone on to obtain residencies in the US.

    In my opinion, the difficult part is not getting accepted, rather, it is overcoming the obstacles on the road to success. If I can help in any further way, please let me know.

    Best Regards and Happy Thanksgiving!

    ctkMD

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