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    audreyhep is offline Newbie 511 points
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    This school is garbage

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    Hello,

    I study medicine at this school and I have repeatedly heard the professors here joke in Polish how American students don't get residencies when they graduate. You would think it would be something they would be embarrassed by, but they think it's hilarious. If you are thinking of applying here, don't.
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    are you trolling? I can't imagine any respectable professor making this kind of joke about students at their institution dishing out cash for an education...

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    Quote Originally Posted by audreyhep View Post
    Hello,

    I study medicine at this school and I have repeatedly heard the professors here joke in Polish how American students don't get residencies when they graduate. You would think it would be something they would be embarrassed by, but they think it's hilarious. If you are thinking of applying here, don't.
    I have heard this same this from a few polish speaking students. The teachers often forget that many students in the english speaking program are fluent in Polish. The problem is most the professors hate the English speaking program. They are required as part of their contract with the government to spend a certain amount of time teaching every year, the administration makes a lot of money off the foreign students and the professors are tired of getting screwed. This is a lot of contention between the faculty and the administration and unfortunately the students get caught in the middle.

    My advice, transfer if it all possible. If it's too late, just keep your head down and study your as hard as you can for the USMLE, and don't expect anything from PUMS. Getting a competitive residency is almost impossible, but something in primary care is doable if you are really willing to work for it. If you want any particular advice from someone who's been through the curriculum and the residency app process feel free send me a private message, and best of luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pumstudent View Post
    I have heard this same this from a few polish speaking students. The teachers often forget that many students in the english speaking program are fluent in Polish. The problem is most the professors hate the English speaking program. They are required as part of their contract with the government to spend a certain amount of time teaching every year, the administration makes a lot of money off the foreign students and the professors are tired of getting screwed. This is a lot of contention between the faculty and the administration and unfortunately the students get caught in the middle.

    My advice, transfer if it all possible. If it's too late, just keep your head down and study your as hard as you can for the USMLE, and don't expect anything from PUMS. Getting a competitive residency is almost impossible, but something in primary care is doable if you are really willing to work for it. If you want any particular advice from someone who's been through the curriculum and the residency app process feel free send me a private message, and best of luck.
    I just graduated and got accepted to PUMS. I'm looking at going to AUC vs PUMS at this point...
    so would you definitely recommend elsewhere vs PUMS?

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    It's true for any medical school to study in plenty time for the USMLE. But plenty people think they can leave it to the last minute, then end up doing bad. Last year 80%+ passed step 1 because they put the effort in, if you don't want to do so then just leave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pumstudent View Post
    Getting a competitive residency is almost impossible, but something in primary care is doable if you are really willing to work for it.
    Not impossible but rather it's entirely student dependent. Most students who come to PUMS do not work hard and that's a fact. They party for 4-6 years, drink their assess off and hack their way through classes with an endless cycle of re-takes. Then they struggle to pass the Step exams let alone Match and blame the school for their failures.

    Do you think American schools are any better for teaching or administration? I used to think they were until I started my residency and started talking to US students. If US students can skip class they will. If they can leave clinical rotations early, they will. Do they absolutely hate the administration of their schools because they are unhelpful and screw the students over? They do. And do they pay and arm-and-a-leg for their education? They do.

    Basically, the first two years of the four year program in PUMS are a joke and you self-study through them, but this is pretty much the same for any medical school so Poznan isn't special in this regard. The clinical experience is something I appreciate only in retrospect. I was so stressed during my clinical rotations in Poland because I wasn't seeing patients acutely and I wasn't following patients or putting in orders. I soon realized after starting residency that this would have been minimally helpful at best. Because Poland centralizes their healthcare to the larger cities like Poznan the amount of interesting and complicated Pathology you get to see is astounding. Unless you work in a large academic center in the US you will never get to see the variety of cases that you get to see going to school in Poland. And that's the key to being a good doctor - not knowing how to write notes, but knowing how to diagnose and treat disease without which you are useless and you will hurt people.

    It's true the doctors talk smack about the students, but only the dumb ones. If they saw you were a good student they went above and beyond to teach because they knew you were serious. for the groups of students who collectively didn't know anything between them, why would the doctors waste their breath on them?

    On top of all of that, you have an incredible lifestyle for a medical student in Poland. The only time we were on call was ONE time in OBGYN. You have Europe at your fingertips. I genuinely feel like I cheated the system when I think about how I lived and how much I paid as compared to the other residents I work with (except those of course from countries where med school is free haha). Did PUMS suck at times - of course it did (and a lot of that had to do with the administration in my personal experience). But if you put in the work you can do it, and if you don't you can't really blame anybody but yourself.

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    Honestly, I am also fluent in polish and I hear them talking about us all the time. But CanadaPaul is right, if you put the effort and try hard, they notice you and admire you. I've had profs come up to me and tell me how impressed they are, the only reason they talk bad about other students is because there are ALOT of students that to be quite frankly honest I have no idea how they passed entrance exam (they really don't know anything) so in that regard the profs get annoyed and talk about them in polish. A lot of students don't seem to understand that they are in medical school, not high school anymore. Just because they are in a foreign country like Poland they think that it'll be easy and a walk in the park and don't put the effort to try hard and excel. This is unfortunately the reason why many professors dislike english speaking students, professors think that the students aren't taking the schooling seriously and would rather cheat on exams or party then learn something meaningful. I can understand the profs, they want to teach and yet they're teaching students that don't give a flying rats a** about their education.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaPaul View Post
    Not impossible but rather it's entirely student dependent.
    Paul you are always going on about people getting competitive residencies in the states, could you please provide some examples of people matching into a categorical surgery, radiology, ophthalmology, dermatology, or anything else competitive?

    Honestly, every class I've seen starts the same, the whole class is talking about how they are going to be plastic surgeons and dermatologists in the states, and by the end the top students are begging for primary care or pre-surg and the rest are screwed, and of the ones that do get it half of them got hooked up by family members.

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    There are quite a few out there.
    Just google "Poznan University (enter specialty) residents"
    That's just current residents in training in the US.

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    From my graduating class there were students who got into Primary Care, IM, Transitional Year (and subsequently Matched Radiology), Anesthesiology, Pediatrics, Radiology x2 (couples Match) and Orthopedics. I know each of these students personally and none of them Matched due to connections. I also know a student from a few classes above me who Matched into IM and is now doing a Cardiology Fellowship at the Mayo Clinic.

    It's no secret that it's much more difficult for foreign grads to Match into competitive specialties, but as I said, it's not impossible (unless it's for Derm or Plastics in which case it's pretty much statistically impossible).
    Last edited by CanadaPaul; 03-13-2015 at 07:23 PM.

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