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    Quick rant/warning against the school

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    I haven't made it any secret that I think the administration of PUMS is terrible. If you want to be a doctor you can do it by coming to this school but they don't do much to help and in many ways they put up barriers to your success.

    Case in Point - Students applying to the 2014 Match need certain documents sent from the Dean's office to ECFMG for certification (transcripts, diplomas etc.). These documents can take up to two weeks to be uploaded from ECFMG to ERAS (if none of this makes sense to you, don't worry because in a few years it will). The Match opens up on September 15th which means that the Dean's office, at the latest, should send documents to ECFMG by September 1st.

    I am currently having my documents delayed, and why do you ask? Because they Dean's didn't feel like showing up to work the other day. This is NORMAL for this school. They are completely unreliable and don't give two pooh poohs about the students. Be warned and expect this treatment so when pooh pooh hits the fan you're not surprised.

    I truly hope somebody from the school reads this but even if they do, I don't expect anybody to give a crap. Screw those guys.

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    And this is why you need to go to a genuine English speaking or 1st world country to do medical school. The culture is different there. Here, if a dean just decided not to show up to work on a regular basis they would no longer be dean.

    Also, the admin want their students to be successful. Thats important.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tricuspid View Post
    And this is why you need to go to a genuine English speaking or 1st world country to do medical school. The culture is different there. Here, if a dean just decided not to show up to work on a regular basis they would no longer be dean.

    Also, the admin want their students to be successful. Thats important.
    I tell the same thing to anybody asking me for advice about where to go to medical school.

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    I dare say that the vast majority of students studying in E-EU countries (with a few exceptions) are there because they were simply not competitive for admission at medical schools in genuine English-speaking or "1st World" countries. If it was that simple, everybody would do it. (I sure as hell would have!)

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    I think most of the E-EU schools are old and involved in the medical education for decades. Due to the recent economic down turn in these countries are making these schools more affordable to foreign medical students. Quality of current education might be poor due to the economic situation there but I am sure these schools are very well equipped to train best physicians given the right economic conditions for these schools.

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    As a product of one of these old E-EU schools, I can say that Summer2013 proffers a very rosy outlook, indeed.

    1) The recent economic downturn in the E-EU? Wow. Lots of these places havenīt had a major fiscal uptick in... like... ever? Google the mean incomes in some of these places and then ask yourself how people survive. One of my former profs, a board certified general surgeon, made less than 300 Euros per month, and was not even guaranteed that each month. (He is now in Germany making a lot more money under more agreeable professional circumstances, and I say good for him.) And donīt tell me how cheap it is to live there, either... it ainīt THAT cheap.
    2) Quality of education often varies wildly within the same university, and is a by-product of far more than economic situations.
    3) Money alone does not fix a mindset that has been honed under decades of communism and corruption. What fixes that is people retiring and dying, and being replaced by people who have been away and understand how things ought to operate.
    4) The schools can (and do) produce some excellent docs, even under relatively dire financial circumstances... but they also definitely run the gamut.

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    I am simply talking about the terrible administration of PUMS. I waited this entire week for the Dean's office to submit some documents to ECFMG, sounds simple enough but the documents needed to be signed by one of the many Dean's of the school. NONE OF THE DEANS'S came to work this week so nothing was done because they are all on vacation at the same time! Considering the Match opens in roughly a week this shows how little care the school has for the English program students.

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    The program has 3 Dean's, all of whom have full time jobs elsewhere. This is just an extra paycheck for them, they have no interest in the students or the innerworkings of the school. The whole MD program is run by 2 secretaries with no medical training who work 25 hours a week.

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    Con artists is what they are. They moderate their own forums.

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    ... realllllyyyyy clever ones

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