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    We are looking for 50 plaintiffs with similar LEK/LDEK complaints

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    Quote Originally Posted by studyMUL View Post
    Hello Kldsak,

    Medical University of Lodz has highest position in 2012 and 2013 in the National Medical Exam.

    Since CEM started with offering the exam in English, 90-100% of foreign students do not pass LEK & LDEK. People are stuck to "Jestem Polakim"

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    Quote Originally Posted by kldsak View Post
    Hello,

    I have decided to attend MUL in October. It was a tough decision to make but I hope I don't regret it.
    I was wondering what the reputation of MUL is like in Poland and also if there are a lot of racists and if the city if safe to live.


    Thanks in advance!

    Quote Originally Posted by studyMUL View Post
    Yes exactly I mean POLSH NATIONAL MEDICAL EXAM. PASSING that exam is allows you to apply for residency/work in most European countries for example if you pass LEK you can start working as a doctor in Ireland. As you probably know this exam is in English and students from English division take it as well. We have students who took US Federal loans as well as private loans which means that they are not as bad as you mentioned.
    Most EU countries have successfully amended their medical licensing law to remove internship. Poland is still struggling due to unresolved internal conflict over nationalism and communism.

    I would not recommend to study at MUL if you are planning to go back to US and neither if you are planning to work within the EU. Your diploma have NO VALUE in Europe without LEK, it further complicates things if you are not EU citizen. Other EU countries may even tell you to repeat part or entire medical education in order to get licensed. Comparing to Czech Republic, Bulgaria, Hungary, or Romania; Poland is still struggling to change its medical education system to catch up with its neighbors. The resistance is coming deep from inside the heart of Matki Polki, a little group of extremist, xenophobic illuminati which hijack the "Centrum Egzaminów Medycznych" (CEM). They keep on telling the reason for such a low passing rate of the English exam is due to huge difference in curricula.

    If you could travel back in time and change your life - you should have studied in Czech Republic, Bulgaria, Hungary, or Romania. Once you passed your medical school final exam in one of these countries, you get your diploma along with full license to practice. In Poland, the system is in the hand of the all-power monopolistic organization CEM.

    The Polish politicians in Warsaw are trying to integrate into this EU universal medical education system, but "communist germs in Łódź" like the little midget named Rafał Kubiak and his servant Mariusz Klencki stand against the change - as they operate CEM. Warsaw writes the law and they put it into application as they wish.

    Poland has been under Communist whip for almost 55 years and so. Now since 25 years or so the country opens its door to foreigners, capitalism, and free market. Some people in Poland are still not accustomed to this open system, especially where CEM is located, a city where communism has a strong root. Many in Łódź still claim it was better life during the communist era. That is why NATO/US is pounding Poland with military intervention to avoid the Ukraine chaos in Poland.

    Łódź and its people are still kind of poor and not willing to give away something for free. They were abandoned after WWII. Sorry. You might have to pay 340pln many times to get your LEK certificate. This is a system where people look at people's name, appearance, background to assign grade or ask different price for different people. Bribery, corruption is very obvious in Łódź! And they don't care if you notice it. These professors think they are God! Of course you can find the ones respecting foreign students but I doubt that there are many. Or if you have Polish root and name, then you can go party everyday, skip classes; not only you will pass the test, you will be valedictorian of your graduating class and score highest on the English LEK.

    As for the question about racism: google the Facebook group: "Stop Afrophobia" to find out what they did to a foreign student in Lodz just 2 months ago.

    "Good evening everybody, my name is CHRISTIAN MALUR , i study in poland (Lodz), i want to share with you what happened to me yesterday at 3h, I was in lordis Club and there my friends called me to follow them in czekolada club and when I arrived then I didn't see them and when I wanted to go out I met with 6 polakow they asked me if i know them and i said no coz i don't know them and one of them said let's go to talk in the toilet i said no i have to leave coz my friends waiting for me and then one of them stragle me and 5 others took me to the toilet and begin to Beat me i was bleeding and i alsmost lost my mind then they let me down and i tried to crawl until out side but nobody even tried to help me and this ochrona(security) just tell me to go out they not protect malpa(monkey) and one girl saw me down i was bleeding she took me up and took picture and she called police and they arrested one of them"
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    Check out this article to find out what you are getting yourself into. If you don't understand Polish, google-translate.

    "Oblali egzamin LEK. Obwiniają tłumaczy
    Janina Blikowska 11-03-2014, ostatnia aktualizacja 11-03-2014 01:00
    Osoby, którym nie udało się zdać przeprowadzanego
po angielsku egzaminu lekarskiego, złożyły skargę m.in. do resortu zdrowia.

    Aby mieć prawo do wykonywania zawodu, absolwenci studiów medycznych muszą zdać Lekarski Egzamin Końcowy (LEK). Osoby, które studiowały medycynę w języku angielskim (na płatnych studiach), a są obywatelami Unii, zdają go właśnie w języku Szekspira.
    Z sześciu osób, które pod koniec lutego przystąpiły do takiego egzaminu w Katowicach, wszystkie oblały.
    – Tekst był źle przetłumaczony – twierdzi jeden ze zdających, który skontaktował się z „Rz". Ten zarzut potwierdzają nam dwie inne osoby, które też przystąpiły do egzaminu.
    Nie są w stanie przytoczyć konkretnych sformułowań, które sprawiły im trudność, ale zapewniają, że angielski tekst był momentami niechlujny, a niektóre fragmenty mogły być rozumiane np. na dwa sposoby.
    Pytania do LEK zarówno w polskiej, jak i w angielskiej wersji językowej od kilku lat nie są już upubliczniane. – Wcześniej Lekarski Egzamin Państwowy (LEP) był publikowany w internecie. I to był ewenement na skalę światową. Tego nikt nie robi – mówi dr hab. Mariusz Klencki, dyrektor Centrum Egzaminów Medycznych (CEM).
    Egzamin na angielski tłumaczą najpierw sami lekarze, potem sprawdzają go filolodzy, a na końcu ponownie lekarze, by uniknąć błędów merytorycznych.
    – Oczywiście literówki mogą się zdarzyć, ale one nie przesądzają o wyniku egzaminu – zapewnia dyr. Klencki. Zauważa, że czasem angielska wersja językowa jakiegoś pytania może co najwyżej być prostsza niż polska.
    Zdaniem dyr. Klenckiego jakość tłumaczenia LEK z polskiego na angielski ma więc minimalny wpływ na wyniki.
    Do egzaminu po angielsku w całym kraju przystąpiły 44 osoby. Zdało 17. Szef CEM przyznaje, że to proporcjonalnie mniej niż wśród zdających po polsku. Dlaczego?
    – To są absolwenci studiów płatnych, którzy osiągają gorsze wyniki niż Polacy na studiach stacjonarnych, poza tym część pytań dotyczy choćby orzecznictwa czy praw medycznych, których studenci nie mają na studiach – tłumaczy dyr. Klencki.
    Ten ostatni problem dotyczy wprawdzie zdających w obu językach, ale Polacy, przygotowując się do LEK, mogą skorzystać z bogatej oferty różnych kursów czy zalecanych podręczników. Dla obcokrajowców nikt ich nie przygotowuje.
    – My nie możemy im tego zorganizować, bo to wykracza poza nasze kompetencje – mówi dyrektor Centrum Egzaminów Medycznych.
    Jego zdaniem kursy mogłyby przygotować same uczelnie. – Ale podejrzewam, że nie opłaciłoby im się to, bo takich studentów jest zbyt mało – tłumaczy dyr. Klencki.
    Oblani absolwenci z Katowic poskarżyli się do CEM i resortu zdrowia. – Nie ma przesłanek, by unieważnić egzamin w całości lub części – zapewnia Krzysztof Bąk, rzecznik resortu.
    Dodaje, że nigdy dotąd to się nie zdarzyło. – Jedyną możliwością zdania tego egzaminu jest ponowne przystąpienie do niego w kolejnej sesji – uważa Bąk.
    Rzeczpospolita"

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    How ironic of you to post an article about this, written in Polish.

    I suspect that these same people who failed the LEK in English were the same ones who barely passed any of their regular classes, as mentioned in the article, for whatever reason. Unfortunately for them, it seems as if all they need to do is to throw money at their university and expect a diploma to land in their lap.

    The article implies that the questions were poorly translated only on the English version in the city of Katowice, yet the same questions are presented to all exam takers in a given exam session nationwide.

    I speak from personal experience: I sat the LEK in English three weeks ago in Łódź, having graduated from MUL's 4-MD program, and there was no ambiguity in the vocabulary of any of the questions on my exam. Full disclosure of a potential bias: I speak Polish fluently.
    2014-2015 Medical Intern

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    Quote Originally Posted by canadian_jerzyk View Post
    How ironic of you to post an article about this, written in Polish.

    I suspect that these same people who failed the LEK in English were the same ones who barely passed any of their regular classes, as mentioned in the article, for whatever reason. Unfortunately for them, it seems as if all they need to do is to throw money at their university and expect a diploma to land in their lap.

    The article implies that the questions were poorly translated only on the English version in the city of Katowice, yet the same questions are presented to all exam takers in a given exam session nationwide.

    I speak from personal experience: I sat the LEK in English three weeks ago in Łódź, having graduated from MUL's 4-MD program, and there was no ambiguity in the vocabulary of any of the questions on my exam. Full disclosure of a potential bias: I speak Polish fluently.
    One of your valedictorian alumni bragged on Fb that he didn't prepare for exams and party instead and still score highest in all classes. Guess what? He is from Chicago Polonia!

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    Not from my class! And I'm not from Chicago.

    Facebook is hardly a reliable news source :P
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    Polish diplomas and the MD and DMD degrees are automatically recognized in the EU countries basing on the respective provisions for mutual recognition of qualifications within the European Union
    For the EU nationals in the majority of EU countries to get the license to practice there is required a recognized diploma confirming the basic medical or dental qualifications and the intern training. In some countries as Poland, Italy, Latvia there is also required the national exam.
    Medical education in Poland is on a very high level. There are many foreign students transferring from Czech and Hungarian universities looking for a good education standards.
    Polish diplomas are also recognized in the USA, Canada, Malaysia, Taiwan, Lebanon and many others.
    Especially a lot of American and Canadian students are studying in Poland/Lodz and are successful in getting the residency in their countries with Polish diplomas, of course after passing the USMLE in the USA or the national license exam in Canada.

    Poland is a great country, dynamically developing with a quite strong economy. It is a good country to live, work and study.
    Do not believe the other’s opinion, just check it by yourself.

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    High level? Really?


    Victims transfer back and forth from one country to another in that part of the world. Especially targeted are Asiatic medical students because of both English language barrier and bigotry. Then Africans because of bigotry alone.


    Many Asiatic students barely speak English and they keep on coming in wave to Poland to study in English. Even worst Poland accepts them all!!!


    Actually, the entrance exam to Charles University is considered to be one of the hardest among all the universities in Europe. Only ~25% of students who take the exam are accepted. Polish universities accept almost anything that knocks on their doors, let them reach the final year, and then make it difficult for them to get out: a system ideal for pocketing money!!! The system doesn't want to let go its sources of guaranteed income.


    As per "2013 CPI" ranking, Poland indeed made some effort combating corruption, bribery, etc. Ranking ahead of Czech and other eastern EU countries:


    Corruption Perceptions Index (CPI)


    But people are still starving for money in Poland just as in neighboring countries.








    Check out "Medical Salaries Europe": Czech is a bit better than Poland! Czech is increasing doctors' salaries. Polish doctors are flooding UK, Ireland, and Scandinavian countries.







    The problem still persists in Poland because some greedy infected autocrats are still in office - enforcing an old money-pocketing system, which makes it easy for foreign students to come IN but difficult to get OUT. Again it is an ideal system for pocketing money.


    But not all Polish people are wild parasites! A small group of corrupt Illuminati behave like wild animals!


    And many locals tolerate, love, and even defend the system, especially when the victims are foreigners! A Polish person once said as a foreigner you should be happy taxi drivers only overcharge you a bit and not beat you up and rob you.


    Wait a minute! Overcharge a bit! But that is still called robbery! Isn't it?

    LEK in Polish: 0pln
    LEK in English: 340pln


    Wowww!!! Why 340pln? For translation?


    The same system affects the Polish population. Driving license examination. Read below.




    "Egzamin na prawo jazdy. Masakra
    [LIST]
    Maria Ginwiłł 03.02.2014 , aktualizacja: 03.02.2014 09:51 A A A Drukuj
    Zanim mój list znajdzie się w koszu, proszę o przeczytanie go i zastanowienie się nad moją historią. Chodzi o zdawanie egzaminów na prawo jazdy. Marzyłabym, żeby moje przesłanie dotarło do wszystkich. Może komuś zdejmie klapki z oczu.
    Artykuł otwarty
    W sierpniu zeszłego roku zaczęłam kurs prawa jazdy. Szybko nauczyłam się prowadzić samochód (oczywiście z drobnymi błędami, które na drodze są często nieuniknione). Sprawiało mi to ogromną przyjemność do czasu, gdy nadszedł moment zdawania egzaminu na prawo jazdy w Rybniku.


    Nie jestem na pewno jedyna, która ma ten problem. Teorię zdałam za trzecim podejściem, wszystkie niezdane egzaminy to kwestia 1 punktu, taki niefart.


    Zaś egzamin praktyczny to masakra. Potrafię dość dobrze jeździć autem, a nie mogę zdać! Za każdym razem pojawia się jakiś wyimaginowany problem, że zderzak wystaje mi trzy centymetry za linię "koperty" (według egzaminatora = a jak pani wjedzie do garażu?), że zatrzymałam się przy znaku 'stop' i w celu poprawienia widoczności przybliżyłam się odrobinę do krawędzi zakrętu (według egzaminatora = niezatrzymanie na znaku 'stop' w ogóle), nie wspominając o tym, że źle opuszczam hamulec ręczny. Nie zdają nawet ci, którzy jeżdżą autem cały rok, mając zaliczony kurs, ale nie mają prawa jazdy.


    Pracowałam rok, żeby zarobić na prawo jazdy, a teraz czuję się okradziona z moich pieniędzy. Jak to jest możliwe, że egzaminator szuka ofiary, żeby ją klasycznie oblać, nie patrząc zupełnie na umiejętności zdającego?


    W Rybniku szukają przysłowiowej "dziury w całym", żeby jak najwięcej zarobić i jak najwięcej kursantów nie zdało egzaminu. Podejrzewam, że tak jest w większości ośrodków. Jestem po prostu załamana!


    Za najmniejszy błąd, który nawet nie stwarza zagrożenia w ruchu drogowym, można przypłacić "wynikiem negatywnym" i kolejną wpłatą na konto WORD-u równą 140 zł, która zostanie oczywiście następnym razem bezpowrotnie pochłonięta.


    Mój pierwszy egzamin trwał zaledwie dziesięć minut - zdążyłam się przedstawić, pokazać kilka elementów pod maską, nawet nie ruszyłam samochodem i okazało się, że nie zdałam! Przecież to jest oczywiste wyciąganie pieniędzy z portfela, bo wiadomo, że decydując się na prawo jazdy, będziemy dążyć do uzyskania wreszcie pozytywnego wyniku. Dlaczego wszyscy przyzwalają na to?!


    Jak już wspomniałam, nie jestem jedyna z tym problemem. Takich jak ja są tysiące w Polsce. Moje rozwiązanie jest proste, powrócić do starych zasad, na których zdawali moi rodzice, płacili za kurs łącznie z egzaminem. Wtedy nie zdawał 1 na 100, a teraz jest odwrotnie...


    Może opublikowanie mojego listu choć w pewnym stopniu zmieni chore zasady panujące przy zdawaniu egzaminów?


    Czekamy na Wasze listy.















    PA, USA: "A former state driver’s license examiner has pleaded guilty to taking bribes from immigrants, mostly from the Asian country of Bhutan, who were given licenses without having to pass driving tests."






    When more such cases surface in Poland. It is time to say: Hallelujah!!!

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    "Especially targeted are Asiatic medical students because of both English language barrier and bigotry. Then Africans because of bigotry alone."

    With all due respect to all English medical students in Poland who are of Asian ethnicity, Asians come to Poland knowing that they will be instructed in English. Is it really the medical school's fault if their grasp of the English language is insufficient?

    "LEK in English: 340pln Wowww!!! Why 340pln? For translation?"

    PLN 340 ~ USD 110. By comparison, would you rather be paying USD 2500 or more for all 3 USMLE Steps, assuming you pass each one on your first attempt?
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    Psychological victimology is used to widely brainwash populations to mitigate the perception of victims as responsible.

    It is exactly how victim-blaming systems excuse inside-job corruption: victims of wrongful act are held responsible for the harm that befell them.

    That is why the world is so violently chaotic. The ones that profit from such systems continue to ignore the victims. They enforce broken justice system instead and wait for chaos and violence to demand changes. Victims eventually turn to bribery or violence to find solution when they can't afford to pay the ransom.

    Compared to Poland, the justice system in the USA is now somewhat functionable. In some occasions students have battled schools and even board exam organizations in trials. Their lawsuits were dismissed in local court as expected (inside-job) but then won in federal court.

    Today non-anglophone immigrants are able to thrive in the USA and Canada because of the great movements of African-american victims, pushing for social integration over centuries. Late-comer immigrants pretend and try to blend in North America and then benefit more than african-americans. As Polish descent, you would be a victim to anglophonic social classes and hierarchies of the 1700s in North America. There flows the source why during WWII North America closed its eyes for a long time and let the Germans exterminate people in Poland.

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