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    Any hope for Hope Medical Institute?

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    Dear readers,
    I want an HONEST opinion on how you think the school is. I have been hearing a lot of bad things about it, but I want an honest opinion. I don't expect you to write a long paragraph, although details would be nice , but I just need to know how the lifestyle in Europe is and how the school operates in general. Thank you. You're honesty is much appreciated.

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    Distressed future student
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    Hope Medical Institute isn't a school.
    It's basically an agent; a few people renting out office and taking calls. You don't get a degree from hope but the schools affiliated with it.
    Few people will have good words to say about an organization that basically doubles your tuition cost and provides little to no visible service. Its main function (beyond getting you to go there and pay them, is to lobby med boards to certify its schools (why Lublin has CA certification), and arrange for US rotations to be available to students. Sounds big, but technically it's the schools who meet med board requirements, and students who do well enough on the USMLE to get said rotations (though yes, both 'perks' are reasons why I went to the school I'm currently attending). Still, that $4,000 check every semester feels unreasonable when your actual education only charges $7,000 (not counting HMI's $10,000 seating fee and other misc stuff you pay them for).
    And before you ask, yes, you HAVE TO use HMI if you (as a US/Canadian citizen ) want to attend schools affiliated with HMI. Even with all that extra $ the final cost is about half of what you'd pay at a US school.
    If you want intel on the actual schools, i suggest you ask on their individual forums.

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    Thank you so much! How is the atmosphere in Poland? Do they access to a lot of places nearby?
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    It's cold and snowing; winter is being stubborn about letting spring come and stay.
    I'm not sure what you mean by the rest of it.
    Also, conditions (equipment, class size, facilities, etc) vary by school, if that's what you were asking.
    AGAIN, HMI isn't a school.

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    Hi Elssha and to the rest of the world who keeps bashing on HMI so much.....I havent been on ValueMD in a long time but I thought it would be nice to share my thoughts......

    Elssha, you seem to have a lot of time on your hands ........as just doing a search on HMI brings up your name a lot..... I dont know why you and some others keep talking negatively about HMI when you yourself attend one of there schools. Seriously, get your act together and get your education over with. Obviously you chose HMI for some reason and I'm sure they must have been good and thats why you chose to go to HMI.
    I don't support HMI about everything...but I have more positives than negatives about them. You keep refering to them as an agent or something....i felt the same somewhat when i first joined the program but the authorities in Poland made it clear to me that HMI is there admissions and administrative office in the US for US & Canadian Students.....in collaboration of a few schools in Poland....its just that the office had to be registered here in the US so it was named Hope Medical Institute as it represents a few schools and could not choose one schools name over the other.....so they are not agents......and FYI they are not just renting a building taking calls......I had the opportunity to visit the HMI office a few days ago as I wanted to make sure that everything was in order for me to graduate in a few weeks. I was just panicky about residency and getting everything in time..but they had everything in order for me. Hope Medical Institute is a in a beautiful office building that they own in a medical district in Newport News, Virginia...really down to earth staff.......the employees there are working head and toes for the students....try visiting them if any of you get a chance....you'll understand what i mean .......the weather was great.....i heard the summers are busy down there cuz of Virginia Beach....would love to go back when its much warmer.

    Just a little about myself....i joined Hope Medical Institute a few years ago because I had a dream of becoming a Physician.....wanted to get into a MD program in the US but couldn't because of the high demands....I had a really good GPA and decent MCAT scores but was put on the wait list at several universities. I didn't want to wait.....Hope Medical Institute gave me a chance to go to Medical School. I got admission to few DO (osteopathic medical schools) but i didnt want to do DO ...i was determined to do MD as a I had many in the family who were MD's....i think it was a pride issue.....many say DO is like a step below MD....so I had to become an MD.

    Today, because Hope Medical Institute (HMI) gave me a chance, I will be graduating from Medical School this spring. I studied my butt off and I got an 89 on step 1, got a 96 on step 2 and I passed step 2 CS all on the 1st chances... I for sure will be thankful to HMI for the rest of my life for giving me HOPE and a chance to fulfill my dreams. I PREMATCHED in several residency programs and turned down several of them and have finally accepted one of the offers. I'm not trying to boast about myself....but wanted to make it clear that it was because of HMI and Poland that I achieved all this. I have several friends who also Prematched in residency programs and have accepted offers now.

    You have to be determined whereever you goto medical school. It aint a joke. But lot of kids goto med school thinking the opposite. I know many kids who went to Poland who are simply wasting there time and money partying and doing whatevers in Poland. I partied a little bit during school but not crazy though....Seriously, if you are focused and determined you will be fine ... just like me, some of my friends and all the past graduates who have also guided me along the way.

    Now about costs, Yeah HMI charges fees as well, but thats all part of the tuition....it's just that a portion has to be given to the university in Poland and another small portion to the HMI office here in the US. I thank God for helping me make the choice of going to HMI cuz if you think about it if i did go to a US med School I would have been paying atleast $50,000 or more in tuition each year......I would have been in debt for the rest of my life....

    However, HMI's tuition was only at about $21,000 per year for the first 2 years of basic sciences and about $35,000 per year to do the last 2 years of rotations in the US. SO WHAT if they had an administrative fee in the beginning......everything added all together still comes no where near what I would have had to pay if i went to a US medical school. This is another thing I must Thank HMI for.

    I did my rotations starting in NY. I did them in a few other states and then Illinois and continued most of my rotations in Illinois. My learning experience in Illinois was great while doing rotations. I heard that HMI has many other locations now to offer as well.

    Every school has there ups and downs...HMI and there schools in Poland are not perfect but they are great...There is no school out there that one can't complain about.........don't keep picking at the negatives...if you are going to Poland through HMI with one goal which is to pass and get that diploma, you will graduate and pass your boards with no problem....you have to spend a lot of time learning and reading on your own on top of what they teach you in class.....don't expect to get spoon fed like we did during high school and undergrad.

    I heard last year that one of HMI's students was 1 of 14 foreign medical graduates who was accepted into that particular SPECIALTY in the entire United States (one of the hardest specialties to get into)....which is amazing.

    I had about 40 residency interviews including an IVY league interview. Some of the program directors already knew of HMI and the Polish School system. Many had good things to say about them. Just some advice to all of you. Most program directors wanted to talk about the research that I did while I was in Poland and the research I did while I was in the US. I had some publications and few posters etc.. which were published. HMI was the one that pushed me and some others to do research while in school. I had attended some scientific meetings in Europe while in Poland and attended many presentations here in the US with the head of our group while I was doing rotations in the US... So again make sure you try to enroll in research wherever possible. But then again some of my friends who had no research also prematched but only had about 15 interviews. Program Directors are looking at USMLE scores, how many times you took them, the school you came from and if you did research. I dont think there are any students of HMI that could not get into a residency program after they had passed the USMLE's.

    Anyways, I really needed to let this all out especially when some of you were talking down about HMI......They are not perfect....but they have everything to offer now when considering going to a foreign medical school
    - California and New York Approval, you can basically practice anywhere in the US
    - Federal Loans (US financial aid, stafford etc...)
    - low cost compared to many other schools
    - research while in school
    - rotations in poland, and many locations in the US


    I wish you guys all the best and luck with your future. HMI was the best choice I ever made.....with no doubt, I would so do it over if I had to.....I kinda miss Poland.....I hope I get to visit there again soon......

    Once again I would like to THANKS Hope Medical Institute ( HMI ) and the Medical University for all there efforts.....I would love to name a few key people but I don't think I should name people on the forum.....good luck to all and hope to meet you on the floor some day.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    First off, I don't think my post about HMI was particularly bashing... nor were most of my other posts. Frankly, that you looked at my post history signifies you have far more time than I... not to mention the fact that you saw it necessary to not only post this here, but on the MUL forum as well. Frankly, you sound like an agent... if the "I had a dream of becoming a Physician" wasn't obvious enough, the thing about someone being one in 14 people to match to some (unnamed) specialty and the insistance you had great scores, just didn't want to wait definitely outs you. I, unlike you, don't have time to check your post history, but I'm quite sure I'd find all your posts being some form of the story above, ALL glorifying HMI and so on. Oh, and forgive me... a NICE office. -__-; probably because they charge so much. And your comment of people coming here not ready to do what's needed... Isn't that part of the admission process? Maybe even (gasp!) the fault of HMI admitting (nearly) anyone, even people not fully prepared to go to medical school? Your argument that I must have liked HMI to go here is invalid. I wanted to go to MUL, thust MUST deal with HMI; I didn't pick HMI and decide that of their schools, i wanted to go to MUL. I don't particularly care for HMI one way or the other. They are an agent (people who get you here, have a contract with the school saying students CANNOT apply directly from the US, take $ every semester, etc), I already said they DO have up sides, but don't try to glorify them as if without them their schools would bankrupt. Just my $0.02

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    Hi Elssha.....I am sorry if i came off wrong with you....when i wrote that it was late night and when i meant people bashing on HMI i didnt mean you entirely....i know you have been kinda neutral with things even after reading further posts.....so sorry about that, however you seem to have issues with the costs

    first off please don't refer to me as an agent or representing HMI....i was being honest about my experience....and because i was favoring HMI should not automatically make me there agent....so quit that

    i posted the same on different threads because i wanted the students to know my experience from all ends....if they needed help they could have asked while i do have some time before residency

    yes I do have a lot of time now....as I am pretty much done with everything....no more step 1, step 2ck or CS to worry about...and I just signed my agreement for residency.....but i don't need to explain all that ......but your in school now so my suggestion to you is to stay focused

    Im not sure what you meant as to my comment to the "I had a dream of becoming a Physician" which is a fact as many people discouraged me to going into medicine especially since i had so many family members in the same field....but i was also determined to do it....so yes it was my dream

    I didnt name the person and the specialty of the 1 out of 14 as i dont think it would be appropriate to name people on the forum....i woundn't want my name circulating on here would you.....but you can check out HMI's residency list to find out who got what......

    As for my comments about people coming to Poland and not doing whats needed.....i dont think that has anything to do with the admissions process..do you?...cuz i know students during my time that came to poland that were brilliant students but got into other unwanted business when they got to Poland and pretty much wasted there time and money....im sure you know what i am talkin about....so i dont think u can judge the admissions for that.....they have no control over it......

    as for HMI ...yes i will take pride in going through HMI because they created this program.....this program never existed for the americans before HMI was started.....so who am i supposed to owe for this.....who knows if i would have ever got admissions in the US.....probably would have still been on the waiting list.....like i said i dont agree with everything they do but i must say i have to appreciate there efforts atleast in my education....i cant talk for you....but maybe you will feel the same some day when you are in my shoes and done with everything.....i wish you all the best .

    however i see that your biggest complaint is about the money that is charged by HMI. Its is still cheaper than most upper end schools. My question is if you wanted a cheaper education why didnt you go elsewhere? There must have been good things about the program which brought you to HMI. Again this program to my understanding was created by HMI and HMI was created as the admissions office for both universities....yes there is no way out of the extra fees.....i had to pay it....at first i felt the same as you but then when you do the math it was still better off then St. George or Ross or any other foreign school.....so i looked into all this before joining HMI
    hope all this makes sense

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    I am soooo confused.
    Can't anyone juts be honest?
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    Therefore do not lose heart. Though outwardly we are wasting away, yet inwardly we are being renewed day by day.


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    Szczerze?

    Quote Originally Posted by simplysweet786 View Post
    I am soooo confused.
    Can't anyone juts be honest?
    Kwestionowanie szczerosci Elshy mozna nazwac osczerstwem.

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    simply;
    What you must know is that HMI is NOT a school. You can't attend HMI. Find a school you're interested in and THEN worry if you apply through HMI or not. The perks HMI offers are mentioned with the schools.

    Also, as a general life principle, it's not good to trust everything you read without a grain of salt (at least). Nearly everyone has an agenda to some degree or another and different people have different (good and bad) experiences that influence the way they see something.
    This is doubly true on forums like this where you can't even tell if a person is who s/he is claming to be. If someone is too pushy one way or another, it IS worth checking their post history. There ARE people who do nothing BUT insist X is the greatest there is, etc ect and that everything else is bad... usually part of the organization that they're praising (they also tend to have few posts to their name). There are also people who screwed up in school and will blame anything and everything to NOT take the blame.

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