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    jgsmoothy is offline Newbie 510 points
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    what're my options???

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    Hey folks,

    finishing my undergrad. Would like to get into med school here in Canada, but that might not happen. My undergrad is bach of general studies, with the science courses that most med schools require for application (so I here). Want to do the 4 year as apposed to the 6 year (obviously).
    I have perused many -a - forums concerning Carribean schools and Polish (Euro schools). I would love to not have to take the MCAT.
    If heading over to Silesia, why the hell do I have to go through HMI? I mean, I have heard soooooo much crap about that org!!!!
    What are your suggestions about where to go, what I need (scholastically) with what I got (keep in mind I have a wife and two small kids)?
    Thanks 'muchly'!

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    update for all HMI students who are Canadian

    I am canadian citizen/US permanent resident and former graduate from HMI class of 2000; Board certified and actively licensed to practice in the US. I recently attended the Denver HMI annual conference. Here is an update:
    If you are applying for HMI program or are currently in the program (1-3 of 6 year or 1-2 of 4 year), The Dean of the Unversity of Saskatchewan School of Medicine has shown an interest in the HMI program and has created and trying to build more spots for clinical rotations specifically for HMI students.
    There is was a bit of a let down recently; some HMI students entered the canadian clinical rotation without a passing USMLE 1 score. Big NO NO in fact it reflected poorly on HMI students!
    In anycase the Dean is NOW making it mandatory for all HMI canadian students to pass the USMLE part 1 before starting clinical rotations in Saskatchewan. In other words the passing exam score must be in no later than July-August of the year between 2-3 year academic year of 4 year program and 4-5 year of 6 year program.
    I do not know how many spots there are.
    The Dean is seriously interested in increasing the number of Docs in Canada regardless if they are IMGs or not. It seems like a better strategy to increase one's chance of matching in Canadian residency programs.
    Last edited by vet2000; 09-01-2008 at 05:41 PM. Reason: forgot a word

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    Thanks for the reply;
    so does this mean we HAVE to go through recruiters? If so, what do they cost?
    I've heard from some, it's a one time cost of about 10g's, others say 10g's plus a 3g fee per semester (which seems totally outrageous). I also keep hearing that they do not come through with their promises. Anyone?

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    I totally agree with the posting by VET2000.
    HMI is not a recruiter dude. Hope medical Institute is the admissions office for the Medical University of Silesia and Medical University of Lublin in Poland. So some money goes to admissions office as well as the university. As for the 10g’s and 3 g’s, if you look at the total tuition per year, for the Hope schools ….its only about $18,000 per year (includes the HMI fees and school fees) which is pretty damn cheap for Med School compared to many other foreign schools as well as US schools. Most schools in the US charge over $40,000 per year just for tuition. If you look at some of the top Caribbean schools they also charge well over $40,000 per year for tuition and that’s per year. There are some Caribbean schools well over $50,000 per year. Comparing to all those other schools HMI’s tuition costs are not bad at all. HMI has clinical rotations in the US and in Canada for all their rotations. They also have financial aid which when I looked into, most other schools didn’t have. I heard that the HMI school got approved by California which is a huge thing man and really hard to get. The best part is actually studying in Europe…..its an awesome experience…..the degree we would get is accepted throughout the European Union as well, so if you ever decided to move to Europe you won’t have any problems…..plus you get to travel in Europe during your free time which we will never get to experience once in residency or once you start practicing....hope this helps

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    Quote Originally Posted by vet2000 View Post
    ...some HMI students entered the canadian clinical rotation without a passing USMLE 1 score. Big NO NO in fact it reflected poorly on HMI students!
    In anycase the Dean is NOW making it mandatory for all HMI canadian students to pass the USMLE part 1 before starting clinical rotations in Saskatchewan...
    Um excuse me, but since when are USMLEs required for doing rotations in Canada? The USMLE is an American exam and is should not be any sort of requirement to do clinical training in Canada. As a matter of fact, at the moment, only the province of Ontario considers the USMLEs as "equivalent" to the MCCQEs, and that is only for the purposes of allowing some US-residency trained MDs to pursue licensing in that province. If you want to do residency in Ontario you have to take the MCCEE (if you're an IMG), and the MCCQEs, just like everyone else. There isn't a USMLE Step I equivalent in Canada that is required to pursue 3rd & 4th year clinical training as is required at most (though not all) US med schools.
    Not sure what the Dean of Sask may be smoking, probably just trying to make sure to keep the rifraf out. Maybe that's good.

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    $18000 dollars sounds good, if it weren't for the fact I phoned them and asked costs and they told me $40000 per year.....something is starting to smell...lol

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    who told you it was $40,000...maybe they was talking about an average of total expenses....man i keep a budget of how much money i spend every year at school. Last year, including tuition, dorms, food, books, traveling a bit in Europe and all other misc. expenses cost me only $34,483. (its good to keep a budget to know how much you spend)
    Out of the $34,483 tuition was $17,400. Dorms for the whole year was like about $2700 (we had our own bedroom, own kitchen and own bathroom with no sharing plus we had internet)......I know people that only spent like $30,000 all together and do fine. So it's totally upto you.. how you wanna spend your money......

    So tuition was only $17,400 last year which included all fees (University Fees and HMI US office fees) for the whole year, so whoever told you $40,000 for tuition was smokin something.....i think maybe you misunderstood....or they misunderstood something.....I would call whoever it was and talk to them again man....im sure its a misunderstanding

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    The USMLE is a great screener and on a positive note, it gives american students and canadian foreign medical students confidence that they can achieve similar challenges or even do better than the fellow american graduates of even canadian graduates who volunteer to take the test.
    It gave me the confidence to take the other national exams with ease.
    I think HMI has certain number of expections and resources that you have to be comfortable with in order to join. In general you should be asking an assortment of questions that allow you to be comfortable with this financial investment.

    BOTTOM LINE i think this Dean in Canada is giving you a chance, he is requesting the USMLE part 1 as your ticket to come home because he has no other written way of evaluating your basic science performance.
    Last edited by vet2000; 09-11-2008 at 07:20 PM. Reason: need to reexplain some issues

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    Quote Originally Posted by samsonMD View Post
    who told you it was $40,000...maybe they was talking about an average of total expenses....man i keep a budget of how much money i spend every year at school. Last year, including tuition, dorms, food, books, traveling a bit in Europe and all other misc. expenses cost me only $34,483. (its good to keep a budget to know how much you spend)
    Out of the $34,483 tuition was $17,400. Dorms for the whole year was like about $2700 (we had our own bedroom, own kitchen and own bathroom with no sharing plus we had internet)......I know people that only spent like $30,000 all together and do fine. So it's totally upto you.. how you wanna spend your money......

    So tuition was only $17,400 last year which included all fees (University Fees and HMI US office fees) for the whole year, so whoever told you $40,000 for tuition was smokin something.....i think maybe you misunderstood....or they misunderstood something.....I would call whoever it was and talk to them again man....im sure its a misunderstanding
    Just got my acceptance to Lublin 4yr; HMI also tossed $40,000 out, but that was with books and living expenses... here's my breakdown:

    $10,000 one-time HMI 'seat allocation fee'
    $1,150 one -time HMI 'student credential verification fee'
    $500 one- time MUL registration fee
    $3,750/ semester HMI 'program maintenance fee'
    $7,200/ semester MUL tuition

    The dorms are $350/mon, whole $3,500 due at registration in cash

    so year 1 (not counting the 10,000 'thanks for the seat fee') will be just over 27,000 for tuition and a dorm... of which about 1/3 will just be HMI fees. This is not counting living expenses. Not too happy HMI is asking for a one time megafee (which they say you can't use loans to pay, either) but also charging a sizeable fee per semester (didn't know about that one), but I've not found a way to get into lublin without them, so *shrug*

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    are these schools affiliated with Hope?

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