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    NYCOM of SGU

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    I have been accepted into SGU for Jan 2004 and NYCOM (an osteopathic school in New York) for Aug 2003. Which one would you choose? Please be as specific as possible as to your reasons. Thank you.

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    Los dos centavos mios

    Here's the deal. What do you want to be? IM? Family practice? Sugery? DOs and MDs from SGU get all of these fields. How much do you want to pay to go to school? SGU is quite expensive. How much is it for the DO school? Also, if you stay in the states, are you eligible for any gov't scholarhips? Any armed services agreements (tuition paid for 4 years duty or something like that)? Finally, do you care what your initials are? Does MD or DO make a big difference to you? It desn't to most patients. This debate has been had many times before to,o, so you may want to search fro th thread. There are lots of opinions. Good luck

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    NYCOM of SGU

    After rotating with dozens of nycom students and meeting a couple of dozen more on interviews I have to say that we are pretty much on the same level.. the 'top' of the 'bottom' of the food chain. If you have to make this choice ask yourself 1 question.. would you rather live in relative civilization on long island and graduate as a DO or brave the savage jungles of grenada and graduate as an MD? Ultimately where you wind up will depend more on you, but I really dont see the choice of school making any difference in the final equation.

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    NYCOM or SGU

    Hi, I had to make exactly the same decision as you did so I understand what you are going through. I agree with pretty much everything the two previous posters wrote. I had to ask myself many similar questions and weigh the pros and cons of each school in addition to wheer I wanted to be a DO or a Foreign MD. People love to argue which is better and I've certainly have had a good time seing how charged up people get over the issue. Bottom line as I see it don't even worry about all that. Either route will ultimately let you become a doc. The key here is you. Where do you think you will do the best? What school do you see yourself thriving at? That will be much more important than what initials you have after your name etc.. For me in the end what it took was visiting SGU. After doing so I knew the place was for me. I got a good feeling from the school and I certainly saw myself doing well there opposed to NYCOM. I just didn't get a good feeling from the place, the students I met that day didn't seem do like it that much but that is just the impression I got. There were many other factors the caused me to believe I wouldn't do as well there but they are personal to me and might not apply to you so really figure what you want from a school that will enable you to do well and use those factors in your decision. Either way though you're on your way so congrats and good luck.

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    NYCOM

    The students that I've met from NYCOM were all very nice. They seem to be very capable in their work.

    My opinion is that it is always better to stay with a US based school whether it's DO or MD. Coming from SGU you ALWAYS be labelled a foreign medical graduate (FMG). That is not the case if you're a DO. I thought it was better to be an MD so I never applied to DO school. Now, I wish I had. Being a DO is better than being an FMG any way you slice the cake. Educational quality is comparable. Residency opportunities is not.

    DOs have MORE residency choices than FMGs. You can apply for both allopathic and osteopathic residency programs. Therefore more choices = better matched. Consider this especially if your are considering a competitive field in medicine. You will have MORE options as a DO.

    Best wishes.

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    More Residency Oppurtunities with Osteopathic Grads

    Thanks all and take care.
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    ok heres my opinion

    A bit superficial, but I want an MD next to my name, not a DO. I worked with excellent DOs from NYCOM so the education is pretty good. NO ONE asked me anything EVER about my MD, DOs get asked repeatedly "what's a DO". I hate that! Other than that, if you can afford SGU, go there. It's an experience you will NEVER have the opportunity to have again. With an MD, if your USMLE scores are very good you can get residencies at places that DOs do not even dream about, simply because most places do not hire DOs for Residency.
    NYCOM is an excellent school, however.
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    I have to take issue with this notion as expressed above:

    "it is always better to stay with a US based school whether it's DO or MD. Coming from SGU you ALWAYS be labelled a foreign medical graduate (FMG). That is not the case if you're a DO. You will have MORE options as a DO. "


    point 1) If you go DO or IMG you are someone in the eyes of PDs everywhere who failed to get into a us allopath school. Spare me the exceptional individuals who go DO for philosophical reasons and Ill spare you the link of the pro golfer who chose an IMG school over a US allopathic school. PDs have their own pet preferences; some like DOs, some like sgu students and some will pick some other group they are more comforatble with. but do not fool yourself: DO and IMG are seen as fairly equal in the eyes of PDs: i.e. you didnt get into medical school in the US

    2) more options as DO. patently not true. It used to be DOs had more choices with regard to ER and ortho. Its not at all true for ER these days; as for ortho, I'm honestly ont sure. DO does have the advantage of some number of residency spots in competitive fields allocated for DOs only. But the vast vast majority of DOs are primary care docs. Coming from SGU (and Im only talking about sgu here as I dont know the senario as well for other schools) you certainly are not "behind" DOs in terms of opportunities in general. Check out placements of grads from all schools your interested in.

    Ive nothing against the DO pathway and its as viable as the choice of going to a good offshore school. I also agree that one's concern of having "MD" on their jacket over "DO" is also picking the wrong fight; that in and of itself is a poor way to choose one's destiny. But the two points above are ones that I'm dismayed always to see expressed as experience and discussion in the resident candidacy process have taught me is not accurate in my neck of the woods (NE US) at least. (See point about PD biases above).
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    DO vs IMG MD

    I agree with much that has already been said about choosing to go to an Osteopathic program vs SGUSOM. The only thing I can add is where do you want to practice? DO's are not readily accepted in some regions of the US. Here in Delaware, they are readily acccepted, but many patients still ask what a DO is of my osteopathic colleagues. SOme states require an additional year of residency if you want to sit for the DO boards, although this is becoming less common. SGU grads are licensed in every state. While DO's have their own residency programs, they are also eligible to enter some allopathic programs - I've had a few in my EM residency and they were very good.

    The bottom line is you'll be a doc. ALl the best in whatever you decide.

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    NYCOM Match vs. SGU Match

    Thanks to all of you for your helpful replies. I appreciate you all caring enough to share your thoughts. After showing an MD resident the 2003 Match lists for NYCOM (the osteopathic school) and SGU, I was surprised to learn that he felt one for NYCOM was actually stronger. As an MD, he was pretty surprised too. However, 47% of the NYCOM students were unable to enter into an allopathic residency. Trust me I know, NYCOM sent their 2003 match list to me in a PDF format and I entered each one myself into an Excel spreadsheet to come to that 47% number.

    What worries me about SGU is that while they accept about 300 students per term, that's 600+ per graduating class, only about 350 entries are on their 2003 match list. Yeah, I pulled that list off of the SGU website and plugged it into an Excel spreadsheet too. Where did all of the other SGU student's go?

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