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    D.O. Vs. Saba/other Carribean MD schools

    Hi all,

    I am considering an osteopathic degree in the US and also going to Saba. I am mostly concerned with getting into an oncology residency, either gyn onc or radiation oncology. I know that I am going to face red tape either way. I am 24 and just finished my MS in biomedical science. I was just offered a promotion in clinical research with a leading group in the city.
    Sometimes I think that maybe I should give it another year to bring up my mcat scores and reapply to US schools...I hate the mcat, took princeton review, it was horrible, I thought that it was a big trick and didn't really represent much of anything important. I don't know whether to run off to the islands for an MD and invest half the money or invest over $130,000 for a DO here in the states. Arg! You would think that I have been slacking all of my life.
    Thanks for any input guys!

    yahoo!

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    I know what you mean Wolf... this forum has definitely provided a place for people to gather and disseminate information... but it would be nice to have more "medical worldly" issues discussed - we have definitely started to lean more towards the logistical aspects.

    But then again, I don't see any other place where we can get the info we seek (logistical in nature) to make this transition more comfortable.
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    I'd go DO over Carib, but maybe that's just me. I think that Carib-Big-Four are a very viable option for your goals, though... good luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by devildoc8404 View Post
    I'd go DO over Carib, but maybe that's just me. I think that Carib-Big-Four are a very viable option for your goals, though... good luck!
    Umm, doc... The post is from 2003. The poster probably is done with med school and into residency by now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiamiMaster View Post
    Hi all,

    I am considering an osteopathic degree in the US and also going to Saba. I am mostly concerned with getting into an oncology residency, either gyn onc or radiation oncology. I know that I am going to face red tape either way. I am 24 and just finished my MS in biomedical science. I was just offered a promotion in clinical research with a leading group in the city.
    Sometimes I think that maybe I should give it another year to bring up my mcat scores and reapply to US schools...I hate the mcat, took princeton review, it was horrible, I thought that it was a big trick and didn't really represent much of anything important. I don't know whether to run off to the islands for an MD and invest half the money or invest over $130,000 for a DO here in the states. Arg! You would think that I have been slacking all of my life.
    Thanks for any input guys!

    yahoo!
    At my hospital there are many DOs and I work at a pretty reputable academic medical center. I can tell you that most PDs in my hospital have a big preference for US DOs over IMGs, especially Caribbean IMGs.

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    MAN im a caribbean student and even being in my last semester on the island, if i could do it all over i would go to the D.O. school, i dont care if it was in guam, as long as its U.S. soil

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    I just joined this forum. I am DO. I am a pediatrician and now doing a fellowship. My husband is a DO and got into an IM residency (we couple matched) and got a job as a hospitalist but is considering a fellowship (just couldn't decide in what).

    My experience: I had a huge list of residencies to pick from so did my husband. During residency, people didn't even care who was an MD and who was a DO. There were 3 DO's in my class and we all were great residents. When it was time to find a fellowship, I had absolutely no problems finding one and at a University that is very well known. If there was once a stigma about MD vs DO I think it has lessened and many don't care. I took both the COMLEX and USMLE but probably could have just taken the osteopathich boards and been fine.

    If it is a competitive residency, your scores better be great. Your grade better be great. You should be near the top of your class. You then should take the USMLE as well as the COMLEX as then they can compare you directly with the other candidates. There were many med students in my class that got into ortho, urology, and surgery.

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    DO (US) > Any IMG program

    Most countries are now catching on, as Osteopathic Medicine is not what it once was, and currently is integrative part of mainstream medicine, my short answer is for sure DO (US) > ANY offshore MD programs

    since as a DO you will have the ability to match at either Osteopathic programs or Allopathic (MD) you can right the USMLEs and the COMLEX,

    I don't need to elaborate how many hoops the average IMG must jump through,

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    Quote Originally Posted by etomidate View Post
    The decision you are making is indeed a tough one. Let me give you my perspective as a Saba grad, soon to be PGY3, who is in a large university residency system.

    It is absoulty true that unfortunately there is still a stigma among many physicians,(and not just the old timers), about DO's. That being said, our university programs have DO residents in internal medicine, emergency medicine, anesthesiology, radiology, and OB/Gyn. We also have DO fellows in GI, and Cardiology and attendings in IM,EM, Nephro, Ortho,Anesth, and Neurology. DO's are now represented in many areas of the country in some of the most prestigious allopathic residencies. And as was previously stated, they have the additional advantage of being able to do osteopathic residencies. This is very important if one desires the top of the heapermatology.

    That being said, there is still a stigma, and for some people it's hard to get away from it. There are also areas of the country, where some HMO/PPO's have no DO rules. Not alot anymore, but still some.

    Any residency other than Dermatology is possible for an IMG with board scores in the top 2%. Several FMG's have been able to match into diagnostic radiology even now that it is among the most competative. There are also IMG's in ortho, optho (Saba has one), EM (lots), and even uro, ENT, and Neurosurg (very, very rare though). One never knows what will be competative from year to year. Anesthesiology jumped way up the ladder in the past three years, and this past year university programs in PMR have been getting more competative. EM on the other hand this year had many unfilled spots. Surgery (gen categorical) varies from program to program.

    So to sum it up:

    DO: Pros? Get to go to school in US, no licensing issues, rotations in one place, can get most of the competaive residenies, + can do DO residency.
    Cons? Stigma, some PPO/HMO's not friendly. School is usually VERY expensive.

    Saba: Pros? Cheap, nice friendly atmosphere, very good track record, and most importantly, you get the MD.
    Cons? May have to travel for rotations, still not approved in CA (in the works), NM (will come with CA), KS (2007) and there are some other states that present obstacles for all IMG's.

    Good luck

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    DO's are very well suited for primary care. Most of the Osteopathic Hospitals have closed in recent years, so Allopathic residency is the more likely scenario. As for Foriegn MD's and residencies, check out the schools websites, there will usually be extensive lists of grads. and the residencies they did. Ross had many specialties represented as also AUC and SGU. Currently, many hospitals have closed so the available training slots may have contracted. I once worked with a MD from Peru who was Board Certified in general and vascular surgery. He also had training in Cardio-thoracic surgery under one of the top heart surgeons in the US. However, he was forever branded an FMG in Tx. with an "F" in front of his license number. FOREIGN.

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    I have a DO friend who is currently completing her oncology fellowship in Florida. She loves it. She graduated from DO school, completed an osteopathic IM residency, and immediately started her fellowship.

    There are plenty of opportunities for DOs, both within osteopathic residency training and allopathic residency training. My advice would be to accept a DO position over most offshore opportunities.

    As far as the "DOs are very well suited for primary care" statement, that is true to a point. However, the DOs I know who are general surgeons, ENT/HNS, neurosurgery residents, radiologists, ophthalmologists, IM/EM attendings, etc. might well take issue with the presumption that primary care defines their professional borders.

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