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    fammed2002 is offline Member 510 points
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    this is nursing advocacy gone too far

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    This is nursing advocacy gone too far.
    Claiming that NPs are atleast as good as MDs.
    Read the article and make your own judgements.



    Open letter to the American Medical Association

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    they're better then MDs at nursing.
    truthfully, your ire is about as politicized as that letter. both are a bit off the mark. but that's what politics is all about i suppose.
    Last edited by stephew; 07-11-2007 at 08:13 PM.
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    continuing

    Hello,
    Truthfully sometimes certain moderators on this forum overstep
    their role as moderators and try to shape the discussion in a certain
    way. Goto other forums and you will never or rarely see this.

    Of course , if an NP was previously a nurse they would know more
    about nursing then someone who did not study nursing.
    That is stating the obvious.

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    sorry but moderators are also users and are free to post their opinions as much as anyone else. if you have a problem with this site you might find another more satisfying. Im glad you agree then that nurses are "at least as good" as MDs.
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    some doctors don't even know how to take a sample of a patient's blood family practice for instance.

    Quote Originally Posted by fammed2002 View Post
    This is nursing advocacy gone too far.
    Claiming that NPs are atleast as good as MDs.
    Read the article and make your own judgements.



    Open letter to the American Medical Association

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    continuing

    I will post my thoughts and ideas for discussion on this site
    and any other sites I find of interest.

    Nurses are better at nursing because they train in that area.

    They are not better at treating patients medically.

    Phlebotomy skills are related to repetition; if you draw blood for labs
    a thousand times you might be better then someone who draws it
    twice a year.

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    good. no one said you couldnt. so will I.

    most medical skills are a matter of repetition. in fact there was a study though showed the best docs had an iq of 108. ie rather average.
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    actually not true, this shows doctor IQ 120 and above

    What Does Adult IQ Mean? Generally, one's mental age stops rising rapidly when one reaches the latter teens--e. g., 16. Consequently, on some IQ tests, "16" was taken as the chronological-age divisor in an IQ calculation for adults. The Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale is calibrated for all ages up to 70, with chronological-age divisors appropriate to every age 70 or below.
    The average IQ is, by definition, 100. To get an idea what this means, someone with an IQ of 80 or below is considered to be marginally able to cope with the adult world. People with IQ's of 80 or below typically work as unskilled laborers such as lawn maintenance and trash pickup. They generally need help from friends or family to manage life's complications. About 10% of the population has an IQ of 80 or below.
    People with IQ's of 80-90 are a little on the slow side but may be found in fast-food restaurants, day-care centers, etc. They may also be found in unskilled jobs. About 16% of the population has IQ's in this range.
    People with IQ's of 90-110 generally occupy semi-skilled positions, including typists, receptionists, assembly line workers, and checkout clerks. They are able to keep up with the world, and comprise about 46% of the public.
    People with IQ's in the 110 to 120 range fill the skilled trades and include some tool and die makers, teachers, and Ph. D.'s among their ranks. They also make up 16% of the population.
    People with IQ's of 120 and above tend to staff the professions as doctors, dentists, lawyers, teachers, and college professors. They fall in the upper 10% of the population.

    The average IQ of all college professors is 130, which lies within the upper 3% of the general public.


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    i would rather be treated by a skilled nurse practitioner than by someone who graduated from st theresa university for instance

    Quote Originally Posted by fammed2002 View Post
    What Does Adult IQ Mean? Generally, one's mental age stops rising rapidly when one reaches the latter teens--e. g., 16. Consequently, on some IQ tests, "16" was taken as the chronological-age divisor in an IQ calculation for adults. The Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale is calibrated for all ages up to 70, with chronological-age divisors appropriate to every age 70 or below.
    The average IQ is, by definition, 100. To get an idea what this means, someone with an IQ of 80 or below is considered to be marginally able to cope with the adult world. People with IQ's of 80 or below typically work as unskilled laborers such as lawn maintenance and trash pickup. They generally need help from friends or family to manage life's complications. About 10% of the population has an IQ of 80 or below.
    People with IQ's of 80-90 are a little on the slow side but may be found in fast-food restaurants, day-care centers, etc. They may also be found in unskilled jobs. About 16% of the population has IQ's in this range.
    People with IQ's of 90-110 generally occupy semi-skilled positions, including typists, receptionists, assembly line workers, and checkout clerks. They are able to keep up with the world, and comprise about 46% of the public.
    People with IQ's in the 110 to 120 range fill the skilled trades and include some tool and die makers, teachers, and Ph. D.'s among their ranks. They also make up 16% of the population.
    People with IQ's of 120 and above tend to staff the professions as doctors, dentists, lawyers, teachers, and college professors. They fall in the upper 10% of the population.

    The average IQ of all college professors is 130, which lies within the upper 3% of the general public.

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    uh huh i see. and what is the definition of "is"?



    Quote Originally Posted by fammed2002 View Post
    What Does Adult IQ Mean? Generally, one's mental age stops rising rapidly when one reaches the latter teens--e. g., 16. Consequently, on some IQ tests, "16" was taken as the chronological-age divisor in an IQ calculation for adults. The Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale is calibrated for all ages up to 70, with chronological-age divisors appropriate to every age 70 or below.
    The average IQ is, by definition, 100. To get an idea what this means, someone with an IQ of 80 or below is considered to be marginally able to cope with the adult world. People with IQ's of 80 or below typically work as unskilled laborers such as lawn maintenance and trash pickup. They generally need help from friends or family to manage life's complications. About 10% of the population has an IQ of 80 or below.
    People with IQ's of 80-90 are a little on the slow side but may be found in fast-food restaurants, day-care centers, etc. They may also be found in unskilled jobs. About 16% of the population has IQ's in this range.
    People with IQ's of 90-110 generally occupy semi-skilled positions, including typists, receptionists, assembly line workers, and checkout clerks. They are able to keep up with the world, and comprise about 46% of the public.
    People with IQ's in the 110 to 120 range fill the skilled trades and include some tool and die makers, teachers, and Ph. D.'s among their ranks. They also make up 16% of the population.
    People with IQ's of 120 and above tend to staff the professions as doctors, dentists, lawyers, teachers, and college professors. They fall in the upper 10% of the population.

    The average IQ of all college professors is 130, which lies within the upper 3% of the general public.
    Steph
    If you get a warning, put on yer manpants and stop whining about it.

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