To all the Canadians Studying or planning to in Aus
by Anonymous (Login dkla)

I was wondering if I could get feedback on what your plans might be to practice in Canada or the US. Where you plan on doing your residencies and what you plan on doing to overcome the barriers to eventually becoming fully licensed in either the US or Canada.

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almost went to Sydney
by KewlKid (Login KewlKid)

OK, here's a weird question. I got into Sydney but then got into a stateside MD school which I am going to go to--but let's say that I want to go to Australia for a while to practice or whatnot--can I?

Posted on Jan 23, 2001, 10:14 PM
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Answer
by Anonymous (Login PhotonFX)

Okay I've done research on this, but I'm not 100% sure so don't quote me on it. Australia is one of the easiest places to go to practice medicine. They are not as strict as Canada, because they have a severe shortage of doctors and because they have a dual private/government funded medical system. So they except foreign students from Asia (such as India and Pakistan) very easily. Many people I know who graduated from there got excepted right away. However the problem is that only in North America (and maybe England if you're well established) is there to potential to make lots of money. In other countries doctors don't make a whole pile of money, so if your interest is monetary than practising in Australia probably wouldn't be on your list. (However their culture, is similar to that of Canada...which is similar to the U.S. so the cultural shock wouldn't be much). Anyway to get in you may only have to write an exam and perhaps a clinical assessment. Nothing overwhelmingly difficult.

I hope that helps.

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Untitled
by Kimberli Cox (Login kimberlicox)

I'm not sure where the former poster got his information but I would respectfully disagree on a few points:

1) Australia is NOT underserved with physicians EXCEPT in the remote places. The major cities have among the highest patient-doctor ratios around. There is frequent talk about the "doctor glut" and what to do about it, with some suggestions being to require medical graduates to work in the bush for 10 years before "allowing" them to work in a city.

2) The exam you have to take is the notoriously difficult Royal College Exam. I can't speak for other fields, but the Royal College of Surgeons exam has a 10% pass rate - it is frequently questioned whether the exam is purposely made difficult to keep out others.

3) Immigration is tough - more so than the US, although I cannot speak about Canada. OZ immigration works on a point basis - the fewer points you have the more likely it is that you will get a spot. Doctors start out with 100 points right off the bat (see item #1).

4) If you have not done your internship training in Oz (ie, you aren't registered) you are required to take the exam, meet immigration requirements and the hospital must state that they could not find an Australian to fill your position.

5) Several of my classmates who wanted to stay in Oz for residency training are being denied visas - these are Australian trained physicians. They are less likely to offer visas to non-Australian trained/non-Australian citizens. Their residency training handbook states this rather matter of factly.

The above should be read with the caveat that if you are willing to work in remote, underserved areas (and don't say yes until you've seen what we mean by remote in Oz) for a certain length of time - all bets are off; you may be able to jump through some hoops.

Posted on Feb 16, 2001, 4:15 PM
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Help!
by Anonymous (Login PhotonFX)

I need advice from anybody who is willing to take time out to listen. I know I want to be a doctor, but I seriously doubt that I will make it in Ontario. I have not even started uni. here (I'm only 18 and doing my OAC's) but I don't want to do a B.Sc because if I don't get into med school I'm stuck. (All my teachers in biology, chem, etc. didn't make it to med. school). I realize that most of you have done B.Sc programs so please don't think I'm insulting you. Also I have only applied to Engineering programs here (biological, biomedical, systems, comp, etc.) so doing a B.Sc is really out of the question. I have applied to U. of Tasmania, and University of Dublin and I might apply to UNIBE. But the problem with Dublin, and Tasmania is the price, I don't qualify for OSAP and my parents don't have that kind of money. I don't know where I could get a loan of that size. But I'm afraid that if I leave I might never come back and I might even miss my parents, and I know my relationship with my gf would be over. I'm really caught here and I have no idea what I should do. I know you guys have problems of your own, but if you wouldn't mind giving me your input.

Posted on Jan 23, 2001, 3:06 PM
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Untitled
by KewlKid (Login KewlKid)

I would try to do uni anywhere--but make sure you get good marks or 1st class honors or whatnot. If you don't mind coming to the states you can major in anything from finance to anthropology to architecture as long as you take the 8 science classes and do WELL and take the MCAT. As a Canadian you will not be considered "foreign" for admissions purposes. So, why don't you, if you fear being out of luck one day, get a BBA or BSCS or something practical while taking the 8 science classes. Thus, if you do well and 'make' it you can apply to medschool; if not, you can still pursue some other well paying field.

I was on the cusp when it came to medschool but finally made it at the end. My advice: study hard, get good grades, and get old copies of exams!

I hope this helps!



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when do you commit to going
by jim (Login jimjones)

when do you have to commit to go (ie pay the big non-refundable tuition $30,000)? Is it possible to get apply to Aus schools and US schools, see how things look in November or something and decide then (if you had previously been accepted to an AUs school)? thanks

Posted on Nov 23, 2000, 12:55 AM
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refunds
by reid (Login sreid)

sydney uni needs your deposit for 1st semester ($15,000AUS) by mid-nov. you have until the semester commences (feb 20 this year, i think) to withdraw and get 90% deposit back. next cutoff is march 31, for 50% refund. again, pretty early. i'm kinda doing the same thing, i have applied to canadian schools and have already paid my deposit. i won't know about interviews/acceptance for can schools for a while (not holding my breath anyway).

Posted on Nov 23, 2000, 9:50 AM
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Anybody going to Flinders?
by Karlson (Login winthorpe)

Is anybody here starting Flinders Med this February. I will be and would like to hear from anybody else that is. Email me at [email protected]

Posted on Nov 22, 2000, 8:13 AM
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Syd or Flinders
by Brevin (Login Brevin)

If you had a choice between going to Flinders or University of Sydney medical school, which would you choose? The only real difference I see between these schools are the affiliated hospitals. Flinders seems to be associated with few teaching hospitals (Flinders being the main one, Repartiton General Hospital, Royal Darwin way up north, and a few smaller community hospitals). On the other hand USyd has many more large teaching hospitals associated with it. Would anybody who is at Flinders or USyd care to comment about if any of this has impacted your clinical training during 3rd year? And would you say is there any real advantage to going to USyd over Flinders or vice versa in terms of getting an internship back in Oz once you graduate. Thanks for all replies.

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In my opinion
by Jeff (Login joechan)

Just a few points:

I have seen and researched both medical schools in depth. Don't ask how! And these are facts and opinions.
I am currently in Sydney.

1)Somehow Flinders is MORE well-known(perhaps better than Sydney) for its reputation of teaching IN Australia, and pretty much only in Australia.But Sydney is more well-known in the Pacific region AND Australia because it's the oldest university and 2nd oldest medical school(1889?).

2)Quality of teaching should be the same because both are accredited by Australia medical council.

3)As far as prestige is concerned, Sydney is first tier and Flinder 2nd tier out of five, as rated by the Good's University guide. But then this applies to the overall university, not specific major or course. Just check out ranking from Asia Time magazine on the web.

4)Flinders has less medical students per faculty so you get more attention. You would expect less from Sydney. But personally, I don't care about that. If you do, then you should go to Flinders.

5)Clinical school. Sydney's clinical schools are huge and the facilies are more, not necessarily better. The hospitals are VERY well-known here, like RPA, Westmead, etc. But then their teaching quality remains unknown.

6)If you really decide to chose one, MAKE sure you take a look before committing to one.

Cheers



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i beg to disagree...
by ike (Login ikedavis)

jeff,
i think you sure not mislead poor brevin here.

how can you rate the facilities ? are you a medical doctor ?

are you a medical educator ?

personally, i think learing medicine is an individualized sport....


brevin: buy two return trip plane tickets and come check the two schools out.


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when to apply
by jim (Login jimjones)

When Should I start the application process for Australian schools? Also, can you get into a 4 year program with 5 courses shy of an undergrad degree?

Posted on Nov 5, 2000, 8:33 PM
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Untitled
by Anonymous (Login ********)


Here is the timeline at Flinders:

http://som.flinders.edu.au/html/courses/gemp/gemp.html

I doubt that they will accept students without a degree but you can always ask.


Posted on Nov 5, 2000, 9:47 PM
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OzTexan
by winthorpe (Login winthorpe)

Hey OzTexan,

I'm from California and will be heading over to Flinders this February. Since you're finishing first-year at Flinders, I was hoping you could answer some questions for me. First off, about Financial Aid: I've sent my SAR to the Medical Education Office at Flinders. How long does it take for them to do everything,since there is only like a month left until I have to send in my AU$3500 to get the visa papers. I'm hoping they'll get my financial aid set-up by then b/c I can't foot that much money on my own.
Now about the academics How would you compare it to the U.S. system of medical education. I've heard there is a lot less rote memorization at Flinders than in the U.S. (probably b/c of the PBL and all). Would you say this makes it 'easier' than the U.S. schools? Also, I've heard that they go into a lot less detail than what you'd be expected to do at U.S. schools and that classes like Anatomy and Biochem are optional! Tell me about the classes you took your first year and how tough they were. Talk to you soon.

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Flinders
by OzTexan (Login OzTexan)

WinThorpe-

As far as the academics are concerned, I would say that they are well above many US medical schools! The reason that people may view it as "easier" is because it is largely self-directed learning. Having just sat the exams, I can tell you that it is not easy. Regarding things like Biochemistry, Pharmacology, etc... that you need for the USMLE, you will just have to take those electives and make sure to hit those topics with each case.

Regarding the SAR, they should get the stuff to you soon. You need to show up at least a week or two before to start looking for places to live, buy furniture and get situated before school starts. Many of the American students live out in Glenelg, which is by the beach--no reason to live anywhere else!

See you soon

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entering classes
by samer (Login samer333)

Hi all,

how many entering classes do, Sydney, Melbourne, and Flinders have?

Thank you

Samer

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one
by joe (Login joechan)

It has only one. So you will have to apply next year.

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Accepted to SydGMP?
by reid (Login sreid)

I've just been accepted to University of Sydney's medical program Has anyone else in this forum been accepted to the 2001 class? I'm from Vancouver and wondering if there's anyone else from BC that's going...

Posted on Nov 1, 2000, 7:27 AM
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by winthorpe (Login winthorpe)

Congrats! I've been accepted to Flinders GMP in Adelaide starting this February. Did you apply to Flinders too? I think Syd, Melbourne, and Flinders are all on the PBL curriculum. If you don't mind sharing, what was your MCAT score? BTW, I'm from California. But from what I've heard, almost all the foreign students at the 3 Aussie GMP schools are either from the U.S. or Canada. So I'm sure you'll see several Canucks in your class. Take care.

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Flinders
by shannon reid (Login sreid)

Hey congrats to you! I've heard Flinders has an excellent med program. I didn't apply there, I didn't really know about it until september and it was too late to apply.

I'm not so proud of my MCAT scores and don't usually like to share, but I guess it doesn't really matter now WS=R VR=6 PS=8 **=9

There's about 12 North American students out of 28 internationals(I've been told) in sydney's current 1st year class, but i guess it varies from year to year. I just want to find a fellow BCer to take that LONG plane ride with!!


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Untitled
by joe (Login joechan)

Sydney also has an excellent program. I don't know why people kept saying Flinders is the best. But why should Sydney be less????

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I agree
by reid (Login sreid)

I don't have the experience to comment on which school is better, but I believe Sydney's program is also excellent. Or else I wouldn't have applied in the first place! I'm sure both schools provide a high quality medical education and I'm ecstatic to be going to Sydney. I've thought about applying since the GMP began in 1997, Sydney was and still is my first choice. I feel very fortunate that I now have the chance to go

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Congrats!!
by OzTexaa (Login OzTexan)

WinThorpe-

You made a good choice in Flinders, it is an excellent program as are all of the Aussie med programs. Flinders is best, of course! I am finishing my first year now and just completed my 6th exam in the past two weeks! I am happy that it is over for now. If you need any information, please let me [email protected] When will you be arriving? Where are you from?

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