What a load of rubbish - the guy's completely bitter, twisted and delusional
by TruthSpeaker (Login Dapo)

To be honest, the postings of that sad, bitter, twisted, arrogant, ignorant, and quite frankly paranoid and delusional poster are hardly worth dignifying with a response, but alas, I couldn't let his/her sad rants go uncorrected.

1. To be quite honest, any racism in Australia pales into complete insignificance compared to anywhere else in the world. I've lived, studied and travelled through pretty much most of the world, and I've lived in Australia most of my life, and I can objectively and confidently say that Australia would have to be the most tolerant and least racist place in the world. No other country has absorbed more people from more racial and ethnic backgrounds over such a short period of time (especially post WWII) with so few problems. When was the last time you saw L.A.-style Rodney King riots in Australia? Never! When was the last time you had a self-confessed KKK High Wizard running for Federal Parliament like in the U.S.? (can't remember his first name, but his surname was Duke)? How can you say Australia is racist against Asians? Behind New Zealanders and Brits they are the biggest immigrant group, and there is absolutely no racial quotas or discrimination in the immigration process. As for being racist against Americans, I must strongly disagree. Have you any idea how many Australians sent their condolences to the U.S. or signed condolence books at U.S. consulates after September 11? Australians are not racist against Americans, they just don't like Americans like USMedStudent seems to be - an arrogant, ignorant, neo-Imperialist moron, pumped up with so much self-importance and belief that the whole world exists just to serve his/her fast-food overfed derriere! One of the classic quotes that shows this beautifully is his/her shock and disgust that "All your p/t will have very thick, local, accents. They don't understand you and you don't understand them easily." Geez, horror of horrors, you'd think that those damned "Ossies" could at least make an effort to speak like an American!! Please, on behalf of all Aussies, please let me apologise for not submitting total American cultural hegemony. I'll make sure to write a letter to my local member requesting American pronounciation be introduced from Kindergarten to High School curricula! To be frank you are obviously very blinkered and not a very intelligent, adaptable, or socially adept person, because I have yet to meet one American that has had any even remotely significant troubles understanding Aussies. God help you if you had to go to Scotland, Ireland or parts of England (Yorkshire or Sunderland spring to mind for starters!)

2. "Aus mentality is they want to be left alone in their beautiful peaceful country." Oh geez, once again, I must apologise on behalf of my countrymen and women for this horrendous crime against humanity! Fancy wanting such a heinous thing! Once again, I think everyone is increasingly seeing what a sad, ignorant, immature and bitter little individual USMedStudent really is. Sorry, we'd prefer a few more planes smashing into our own equivalent of the World Trade Centre, same race riots, and maybe while you're at it, could you maybe arrange for a few Columbine-style schoolyard massacres and a Washingtonesque sniper for good measure? Thanks.

3. "They look at you very skeptically, if not suspiciously." With an obviously ignorant, arrogant, and neo-Imperialist mental midget such as USMedStudent, it's hardly surprising! For most people with even a semblance of normality and social skills exceeding those of a gnat (i.e. anyone not out of the USMedStudent mould), you will be treated hospitably and with respect, just like anyone else.

4. USMedStudent asks why there are lawsuits against Flinders from US med students. I can hazard a guess that it has a lot to do with the overly litigous and "victim mentality" that sad people like USMedStudent are brought up in, as well as the fact that people like USMedStudent (not all US med students obviously) are used to having "Mommy and Daddy" get them their own way throughout life, and when they find that that doesn't cut it in their non-sheltered private schoool, country-club, ivy-league alma mater world, they resort to the good ol' "sue the bastards" mentality. Would it be that the students are just not good enough to make the grade? Is that what happened to USMedStudent? He/she seems very consumed by hatred and bitterness. Did he/she get failed by an Aussie consultant? Or did he/she get dumped by an Aussie girlfriend/boyfriend?

5. USMedStudent claims "Most if not all Flinders instructors don't like foreign students". If they're all conceited, ignorant, arrogant, know-it-all, twits like USMedStudent, it hardly comes as a surprise.

6. USMedStudent also is horrified if the Flinders consultants "don't know about USMLE materials". Once again, I'll have to apologise on behalf of my fellow countrymen and women for not just providing a discounted world-class medical education tailored specifically to students who want to just nick off back to the U.S. after graduation and do the USMLE. I mean, quite obviously, with the U.S. being the world superpower that it is, we should just submit wholeheartedly to its cultural and economic neo-Imperialism and do all in our power to just make Australian universities like South Seas U.S. colleges! Once again, just for you USMedStudent, I'll raise this one with my local member. But before I do that, I might just remind you, that the vast majority of students at Flinders don't and never will give a rats backside about the USMLE.

7. "Remember, your p/t may be someone from the rural Aus where she hasn't seen a non-Oz in her entire life." It may come as news to USMedStudent, but not everyone in the world gets sent on "Mommy and Daddy"-funded bi-annual trips to exotic locations. Geez, fancy those "Ossie" rural dwellers having the gall to think about dealing with the worst drought in a hundred years, depressed commodity prices, and putting the next meal on the table for their family! They should be more like USMedStudent and get "Mommy and Daddy" to send them to a two-month all expensed paid language camp in Tuscany! Once again, your arrogance, ignorance and blindingly obvious neo-Imperialist world-view is to be honest quite frightening. To think that a troglodyte such as yourself is even close to obtaining a medical degree (very different from actually being a doctor) is quite frankly enough to make one wake in the dead of night in a cold sweat!

8. "In that subjective system, it only takes ONE faculty member to make your life a living hell." Warning lights are flashing big time here! Once again, methinks there is a strong likelihood that our old friend USMedStudent had a personality clash (not surprising - I think even the most easy-going and tolerant person would have trouble not finding USMedStudent's personality and attitudes attractive).

9. USMedStudent claims: "Remember, Aus is the only country in the world that allows an anti-foreigner Party (the ONE NATION) to operate. Racial discrimination is allowed, if not encouraged, even at the national level. That party has about 10-20% of the votes, so among the 100 faculty members you may come into contact, 10-20 of them statistically may vote for the ONE NATION, while it takes only 1 of them to destroy your career." Oh, I love it. USMedStudent must be right into self-mutilation (maybe he can raise this with the psychiatrist/counsellor when he sees them about his numerous other personal issues), because he/she is shooting himself/herself in BOTH feet - repeatedly. United States - KKK High Wizards running for federal parliament, and receiving significant support. UK - ever heard of the British National Party? Netherlands - ever heard of a party leader called Pim Fortuyn? Maybe if you started reading something aside from your CNN McNews you might! New Zealand - ever heard of Winston Peters? He's only part of the ruling coalition government! Austria - Jorg Haider? Denmark? Norway? And don't even get me started on Asian countries "racial policies". Tried even buying some land as a non-Japanese in Japan recently? What about China? Your ignorance and provincial mindset is astonishing USMedStudent! Have you ever heard of that Australian Commonwealth legislative instrument called the "Racial Discrimination Act" USMedStudent? www.austlii.edu.au - you'll be able to find it on the website resolved to at this link. It expressly prohibits any form of racial discrimination. It is also mirrored in State and Territory legislation. Once again, your claims are farcically baseless and ignorant.

10. To be honest, the postings of that sad, bitter, twisted, arrogant, ignorant, and quite frankly paranoid and delusional poster are hardly worth dignifying with a response, but alas, I couldn't let his/her sad rants go uncorrected.

1. To be quite honest, any racism in Australia pales into complete insignificance compared to anywhere else in the world. I've lived, studied and travelled through pretty much most of the world, and I've lived in Australia most of my life, and I can objectively and confidently say that Australia would have to be the most tolerant and least racist place in the world. No other country has absorbed more people from more racial and ethnic backgrounds over such a short period of time (especially post WWII) with so few problems. When was the last time you saw L.A.-style Rodney King riots in Australia? Never! When was the last time you had a self-confessed KKK High Wizard running for Federal Parliament like in the U.S.? (can't remember his first name, but his surname was Duke)? How can you say Australia is racist against Asians? Behind New Zealanders and Brits they are the biggest immigrant group, and there is absolutely no racial quotas or discrimination in the immigration process. As for being racist against Americans, I must strongly disagree. Have you any idea how many Australians sent their condolences to the U.S. or signed condolence books at U.S. consulates after September 11? Australians are not racist against Americans, they just don't like Americans like USMedStudent seems to be - an arrogant, ignorant, neo-Imperialist moron, pumped up with so much self-importance and belief that the whole world exists just to serve his/her fast-food overfed derriere! One of the classic quotes that shows this beautifully is his/her shock and disgust that "All your p/t will have very thick, local, accents. They don't understand you and you don't understand them easily." Geez, horror of horrors, you'd think that those damned "Ossies" could at least make an effort to speak like an American!! Please, on behalf of all Aussies, please let me apologise for not submitting total American cultural hegemony. I'll make sure to write a letter to my local member requesting American pronounciation be introduced from Kindergarten to High School curricula! To be frank you are obviously very blinkered and not a very intelligent, adaptable, or socially adept person, because I have yet to meet one American that has had any even remotely significant troubles understanding Aussies. God help you if you had to go to Scotland, Ireland or parts of England (Yorkshire or Sunderland spring to mind for starters!)

2. "Aus mentality is they want to be left alone in their beautiful peaceful country." Oh geez, once again, I must apologise on behalf of my countrymen and women for this horrendous crime against humanity! Fancy wanting such a heinous thing! Once again, I think everyone is increasingly seeing what a sad, ignorant, immature and bitter little individual USMedStudent really is. Sorry, we'd prefer a few more planes smashing into our own equivalent of the World Trade Centre, same race riots, and maybe while you're at it, could you maybe arrange for a few Columbine-style schoolyard massacres and a Washingtonesque sniper for good measure? Thanks.

3. "They look at you very skeptically, if not suspiciously." With an obviously ignorant, arrogant, and neo-Imperialist mental midget such as USMedStudent, it's hardly surprising! For most people with even a semblance of normality and social skills exceeding those of a gnat (i.e. anyone not out of the USMedStudent mould), you will be treated hospitably and with respect, just like anyone else.

4. USMedStudent asks why there are lawsuits against Flinders from US med students. I can hazard a guess that it has a lot to do with the overly litigous and "victim mentality" that sad people like USMedStudent are brought up in, as well as the fact that people like USMedStudent (not all US med students obviously) are used to having "Mommy and Daddy" get them their own way throughout life, and when they find that that doesn't cut it in their non-sheltered private schoool, country-club, ivy-league alma mater world, they resort to the good ol' "sue the bastards" mentality. Would it be that the students are just not good enough to make the grade? Is that what happened to USMedStudent? He/she seems very consumed by hatred and bitterness. Did he/she get failed by an Aussie consultant? Or did he/she get dumped by an Aussie girlfriend/boyfriend?

5. USMedStudent claims "Most if not all Flinders instructors don't like foreign students". If they're all conceited, ignorant, arrogant, know-it-all, twits like USMedStudent, it hardly comes as a surprise.

6. USMedStudent also is horrified if the Flinders consultants "don't know about USMLE materials". Once again, I'll have to apologise on behalf of my fellow countrymen and women for not just providing a discounted world-class medical education tailored specifically to students who want to just nick off back to the U.S. after graduation and do the USMLE. I mean, quite obviously, with the U.S. being the world superpower that it is, we should just submit wholeheartedly to its cultural and economic neo-Imperialism and do all in our power to just make Australian universities like South Seas U.S. colleges! Once again, just for you USMedStudent, I'll raise this one with my local member. But before I do that, I might just remind you, that the vast majority of students at Flinders don't and never will give a rats backside about the USMLE.

7. "Remember, your p/t may be someone from the rural Aus where she hasn't seen a non-Oz in her entire life." It may come as news to USMedStudent, but not everyone in the world gets sent on "Mommy and Daddy"-funded bi-annual trips to exotic locations. Geez, fancy those "Ossie" rural dwellers having the gall to think about dealing with the worst drought in a hundred years, depressed commodity prices, and putting the next meal on the table for their family! They should be more like USMedStudent and get "Mommy and Daddy" to send them to a two-month all expensed paid language camp in Tuscany! Once again, your arrogance, ignorance and blindingly obvious neo-Imperialist world-view is to be honest quite frightening. To think that a troglodyte such as yourself is even close to obtaining a medical degree (very different from actually being a doctor) is quite frankly enough to make one wake in the dead of night in a cold sweat!

8. "In that subjective system, it only takes ONE faculty member to make your life a living hell." Warning lights are flashing big time here! Once again, methinks there is a strong likelihood that our old friend USMedStudent had a personality clash (not surprising - I think even the most easy-going and tolerant person would have trouble not finding USMedStudent's personality and attitudes attractive).

9. USMedStudent claims: "Remember, Aus is the only country in the world that allows an anti-foreigner Party (the ONE NATION) to operate. Racial discrimination is allowed, if not encouraged, even at the national level. That party has about 10-20% of the votes, so among the 100 faculty members you may come into contact, 10-20 of them statistically may vote for the ONE NATION, while it takes only 1 of them to destroy your career." Oh, I love it. USMedStudent must be right into self-mutilation (maybe he can raise this with the psychiatrist/counsellor when he sees them about his numerous other personal issues), because he/she is shooting himself/herself in BOTH feet - repeatedly. United States - KKK High Wizards running for federal parliament, and receiving significant support. UK - ever heard of the British National Party? Netherlands - ever heard of a party leader called Pim Fortuyn? Maybe if you started reading something aside from your CNN McNews you might! New Zealand - ever heard of Winston Peters? He's only part of the ruling coalition government! Austria - Jorg Haider? Denmark? Norway? And don't even get me started on Asian countries "racial policies". Tried even buying some land as a non-Japanese in Japan recently? What about China? Your ignorance and provincial mindset is astonishing USMedStudent! Have you ever heard of that Australian Commonwealth legislative instrument called the "Racial Discrimination Act" USMedStudent? www.austlii.edu.au - you'll be able to find it on the website resolved to at this link. It expressly prohibits any form of racial discrimination. It is also mirrored in State and Territory legislation. Once again, your claims are farcically baseless and ignorant.

10. USMedStudent continues his bittter rant by talking of his fellow US med student friends (hard to believe I know!) by saying "...they borrowed $30,000 a year to go to Flinders only to be unfairly failed by some faculty members that envied their very American self-assured attitude, that were jealous of their money, car, popularity; were ashamed that my friends knew more about medicine than them and many Aus consultants who couldn't tell type I, II, III, IV hypersensitivities apart." Mate, to be 100% honest with you, I don't know any Australian (or anyone else for that matter that "envies" the "very American self-assure attitude". If it's anything like the attitude you seem to have, then we prefer to describe it as "being an arrogant, conceited, cocky, know-it-all w*nker"! I know if I were some experienced and highly-skilled consultant, and I were faced with some pimply-faced early-twenties spoilt brat trying to tell me that I and "my friends knew more about medicine than them and many Aus consultants", I wouldn't exactly be giving you an easy time. You really are quite a sad little individual, with some serious personal issues USMedStudent!

11. "Many of them don't speak English the way we do, maybe they are illiterate, or just live in the bush (outback) thousands of miles away from civilization and therefore just can't communicate with you." Did you even read your post back to yourself before posting USMedStudent? USMedStudent's arrogance is really quite astonishing! For your information, the literacy rate (as measured in accordance with accepted international standards) 99%, with the 1% consisting of primarily Aboriginals in remote areas. Australia ranked the highest of English-speaking countries in a recent OECD report on functional literacy. The U.S. wasn't even in the top ten. Once again, I apologise for "not speaking English the way you do"! To be honest, I'm extremely surprised that you lasted 4 days in Australia, let alone 4 years with your atrocious attitude!

12. USMedStudent then quips: "but how can you interact with those that don't want to interact with you, or those that do but just can't?" Once again, I think it's clear for all to see, that there quite obviously is a not insignificant deficit in USMedStudent's social skills.

13. And USMedStudent continues with his/her ignorance-induced self mutilation with: "When was the last time an Aus won the Nobel Prize? Science, especially medical science, is very primitive there." A quick search of the internet indicates that in 1996 (there might be more recent ones, but that was the first that came up), an AUSTRALIAN, by the name of Professor Peter Doherty of the Australian Academy of Science won Australia's EIGHT Nobel Laureate in SCIENCE. Not bad for a country of less than 20 million people. The U.S. would have to win 120 Nobel Laureates in science to even equal Australia on a per-capita basis. Aspro, atomic absorption spectrophotometer, bionic ear, frozen embryo babies (Queen Victoria Medical Centre, Melbourne), oral vaccine for bronchitis (University of Newcastle), two-minute AIDS test (Uni of Melbourne), controlled-release oral morphine capsules, multi-focal contact lens, non-invasive TB test, medical application of Penicillin (Howard Florey), 1960 Nobel laureate for research into acquired immunological tolerance (Sir Frank MacFarlane Burnett) are just a very small fraction of the medicine/science-related inventions, innovations, or achievements of Australia. Not bad for for such a "primitive" place!

In short, I wouldn't wipe my backside with the misleading, ignorant and almost farcical drivel that USMedStudent has posted. I can assure you with absolute confidence that you'll not only be assured of a world-class medical education in Australia, but you'll have a great time. Aussies laugh at themselves, and like people who can do the same. A lot of USMedStudent's problems I'm afraid are likely to stem from his/her inability to do just that!

Re: What a load of rubbish - the guy's completely bitter, twisted and delusional
by Anonymous (Login tree_sap)

Definitely bitter. I posted on SDN as well, but there are a few posts on this site regarding racism in Australia. If you click on page 2 and read "vegemitosis" post about help for students coming to Flinders, she says a bit about how she felt about the so-called racism.

If you are planning on coming to Flinders, IGNORE the guy on SDN. Most of what he says just isn't true. I have exams to study for, but please ask anything you want about the school and we'll all give you honest answers.

Cheers!

re:racism
by jay (Login caljay96)

Wow. Much as I respect your right to disagree with USMedStudent, you seem a bit bitter yourself.

As an American-born Aussie (Dad's Aussie, Mom's American) I can honestly say that-- depite your protestations to the contrary-- one does experience a little anti-American sentiment here and there in Oz. Your email is a pretty good example. It has been my experience that Australians have a very low tolerance for Americans and are very quick to lash out at any hapless "Neo-Imperialist, fast-food eating, CNN McNews watching" slob who happens to say something they don't like (they also love to lump us all into one big-*** category-- geesh).

That said, I do agree with you in that Australia is portrayed as being more racist than it really is-- to a point. Like the US, there is a vast difference in attitudes between the younger generation and the older one (you assume that your circle of friends is representative, but as a young, well educated, urban dweller, that's questionable). Nonetheless, if I had to characterize the country I would say it's very tolerant. I wonder if some of USMedStudents bitterness and confusion doesn't stem from trying to succeed in a system that is so totally different from our own. As a general rule, US schools tend to be more student "friendly" than Oz schools. By that I mean there are posted office hours, additional help, tutorials, a greater degree of academic freedom, and a feeling that the professors are there for you. At Oz Unis you are left to your own devices. When I first came to UWA, I was amazed by how brusque and short professors were (some more than others, of course). Eventually I realized it was nothing personal-- just a "sink or swim" system. Eventually I learned to work the system and eventually decided to go to med school here.

As for professors singling you out-- well, it does happen. Most of my profs were great...but the Associate Dean of my school hated my guts. I made the mistake of talking to the chem department and requesting a special class (common at UC Berkeley), and they said okay. She found out and hit the roof. I think she felt as you do-- that Americans all think they are better than everyone else. We're all spoiled little rich kids living on mommy and daddy's money and demanding what we want. This flies in the face of the great Australian need to "queue up" and "have a fair go." I actually overheard her slanging me in the office when I came to drop off some paperwork. She was a rotten man's best friend from there on in. Unfortunately, most Aussies don't realize just how competitive and individualistic the US really is. Most Americans aren't out to offend you-- they are just doing what they do naturally...culturally. That sort of behavior is both encouraged and rewarded. A little understanding goes a long way. I have never understood how cultural understanding is demanded of the US, but never considered by others in their dealings with us. I'm not whining or anything-- American foreign policy makes me shudder-- but it's hard to shrug off a lifetime of indoctrination. Shrill frontal attack does little to further your point.

For all of you Americans considering going to shcool in Oz I can honestly say that I love this country. John Howard and Ms. Hanson are NOT representative of the average Australian, and for every butthead you meet, you will find 10 more Aussies with kind hearts, wicked senses of humor, and mind boggling tolerances for alcohol. Oz is like anywhere else...good and bad. Just be ready to defend yourself whenever "Dubbya" does something stupid.

Sincerely,

a bona-fide white trash, I pay for everything myself, Women's Studies degree having, McNews avoiding, I sure as hell didn't vote for Dubbya poster waving, when in Rome doin', soon to be USyd Med student,

Amer-aussie

Posted on Nov 18, 2002, 7:24 PM
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