Many of the Missing Messages were in my Cache File:
by Missionary Doc (no login)


Dutch lawsuit o.b.o 80-year old terminal patient
by Dirk-Willem

Last week in the Netherlands the daughter of an 80 year old terminal colon-cancer patient
sued the hospital to force the doctors to keep on treating and reanimating the patient even
when the doctors deemed further treatment useless.
Do you think a doctor should be forced to treat a patient if they feel this increases his suffering
and how much weight should be given to the families wishes in these instances?

btw the man himself wishes to be treated until the very end too.

Posted on Oct 17 1999, 06:42 AM
from IP address 209.58.22.126


Respond


beyond me
by gringo

i am no expert in ethics...for questions like this i go to authoritative sources like the new york
board of rabbis...they study ethics and are familiar with the law...maimonedes, who was a
physician, as well as an important scholar of jewish law, claimed that some issues are beyond
the mind of one person to comphrehend...other religious systems also have well-developed
sources of ethical decision making...as for me, i want to practice medicine and sleep well at
night....

Posted on Oct 17 1999, 08:49 AM
from IP address 207.248.251.252


Respond


Legal matter
by dr.anthrax

This depends on the laws in place in each country (state, etc). In many cases, the patient has
the right to demand that all measures be taken to preserve their life. Barring this, the person
with power-of-attorney has the right to make decisions (if the patient is unconscious, etc).
This system is in place so the doctors don't determine who to save and who to "let go", thus
preventing the whole sticky issue of euthanasia. Granted, this may place undue pressures on
the doctor, who may know whether or not the patient will recover or thrive, but it really is out
of the doctor's hands.
(btw, I think that the Netherlands is currently reviewing the laws regarding this, but I'm not
sure of the details)

Posted on Oct 17 1999, 09:07 AM
from IP address 206.172.102.4


Respond


Foreign Medical Schools
by IMG

Guys I know it is nice to be accepted to a medical school after being exhausted applying to
US medical school even thogh you deserve to be in one. However, it is my opinion that one
should try to goto the best foregin school possible if one's ultimate goal is to come back to the
US and be able to practice in the US. If this is not your goal then it really doesn't matter
where you go, I guess. Those of you who are applying to the island schools by now know
that there are many of these schools at different caribbean islands. You should carefully
evaluate all these schools if you plan to attend. They all did start with a similar purpose: to
help qualified people become doctors and make some money. However, it is without a doubt
that some schools are better than others at the island (better in terms of resources, alumni trac
record, residency status, clinical spots, USMLE, reputation). One person told me that he/she
chose a particular school at the island because it costed less than one of the others. In my
opinion , this person does not know what he/she is probably doing and is misinformed. Let's
face it US Medical schools are also expensive, you are not going to get get a medical
education for free. Let's say that there is only one private school you got into the US and it is
very expensive. What would you do! a)you would not go? b) if you really want to be a doctor
so bad, you would probably take out a loan and go?
So, in my opinion it is not really wise to select one school over another b/c it costs more,
especially if it is a foreign school. Foreign school should not be an option for everyone either.
There are many highly qualified applicants who do not get into US med school today even
though they should. This is not a secret everyone knows this! At one time you must sit down,
do some soulsearch and ask why is it that you did not get into a school in the US. if you had
bad/average academic record, etc. then maybe you did not deserve to get in, then even a
foreign school may not be the choice for you. In my opinion many US citizens who goto
foreign schools are those who really deserved to get into a US school, i.e. they had the
academics and qualities of any average US entering student, but were not give a chance
because there just arent enough seats. Further, I think that when you evaluate a foreign school
in the islands, ask many questions as possible about their clinical
curriculum as to the hospitals , where, when , how, transition, requirements to get to the
clinicals. Let's face it many of these schools are not honest or do not mention much about their
clinical years except that they tell you that you can do them in the US. There is alot more
involved then just these words. Some peopel have to find their own clinical spots int the
hospitals and school does not help. In my experience when i was going thru the catalogs while
back, I got the impression that the basic science curriculum is nicely elaborated inthe catalog,
but there is not much elaboration of the clinical program , except oh yeah the students can do
it in the US> . Good luck and remember, ultimately how good of doctor you will become
depends on the type of qualities that you already possess as a person. All the above is an
opinion.

Posted on Oct 16 1999, 03:18 PM
from IP address 207.205.163.210


Respond


I completely agree...
by Grenadaboy

I used the exact same reasoning when choosing the particular school I now attend. While
certainly a little more pricey than the other Caribbean institutions, the school as a whole from
the start has been candid with the specifics and I feel has never witheld important info from
both prospective and current students. The old adage "you get what you pay for" definitely
rings true in this instance, as together with the pricetag comes a solid track record, good
reputation, and most of all, a tangible future.

Thanks for sharing your honest opinions.

Posted on Oct 16 1999, 08:41 PM
from IP address 205.214.207.155


Respond


Saba May 2000
by RS


Just wondering if any more student were accepted at SABA in my class for May 2000.

Posted on Oct 15 1999, 11:54 AM
from IP address 35.8.87.15


Respond


I was
by May 2000

Be seeing you soon.

Posted on Oct 15 1999, 05:33 PM
from IP address 32.100.207.176


Respond


Interview???
by KP

I've just been approved for an interview for SGU for Jan 2000. I really don't know what to
expect and just need a few tips or words of advice from people who have gone through the
process. What type of questions should i expect etc. Thanx

Posted on Oct 15 1999, 09:49 AM
from IP address 208.11.37.51


Respond


The SGU interview...
by Grenadaboy

KP,

Hey, congrats on getting the interview! You've won half the battle already. Though I've heard
varying statistics, the consensus seems to be that those who get interviews and have basic
communication skills have no problems.

As for the interview itself, those of most of the students I have spoken to, including my own,
have been relatively laid back and low stress. It starts off with a 10 minute essay on your
choice of three topics, which is probably the only fairly stressful part of the interview. Just
make sure to keep it organized and coherent. As for the rest, I got your usual "why do you
want to be a doctor" and "why should you be accepted to our school" questions, but I was
also queried about the IMG issue and my feelings about being one. Make sure you
understand what you are getting yourself into. It also doesn't hurt to have some knowledge on
the school itself. I would recommend reading the catalog and maybe speaking with a few
people "in the know." But most of all I would highly recommend having some good questions
to ask the interviewer directly in order to generate some stimulating conversation. I've found
that most alumni are happy to share their thoughts and personal experiences on the subject.

Of course, you'll most likely get questions on what you've done and what you have listed on
your application. If you feel excited or passionate about something you've accomplished,
don't hesitate to share it (without being arrogant of course). Your enthusiasm about SGU,
your abilities, and what the future holds surely can't hurt your chances, and will most likely
leave an impression for when it comes to their writing up their "report" on you.

Overall, just be yourself (I know, everyone says that) and everything will work out fine. Best
of luck to you, and if you have any further questions, don't hesitate to ask!

Posted on Oct 15 1999, 02:17 PM
from IP address 205.214.207.154


Respond


sgu interview
by sgu-interview

Congratulations on getting an interview to sgu. As it has become tough to gain admission to
american schools, in the recent years it has also become tough to get into sgu. But if you have
been interviewed, your chances are good at this point, because sgu is selective and does not
interview all applicants. Good luck on your interview and like what I was told, "be yourself".
That is good self ofcourse.

Posted on Oct 15 1999, 08:29 PM
from IP address 207.205.163.235


Respond


Finally a REAL medical school
by Future student

Finally a REAL medical school for people who are serious about medicine and its study.
The aim of this group (headed by Dr. Hong- a Washington DC biomedical researcher) is to
create the best
foreign medical school in the world.

Soon to come

School of Medicine


What will follow

School of Dentistry
School of Pharmacy
School of Nursing

Students who wish to transfer to the school from another medical school should contact me at

[email protected]

Only consider this if

1. You are serious about a quality medical education

2. You have completed at least one semester of medical school--and are not finished with
your basic sciences

3. You are not opposed to the fact that you may, if accepted, be required to take a qualifying
exam to prove
proficiency in the courses you have taken.

4. You don't mind crossing the border from san Diego to Mexico each day for classes

This school is the most promising opportunity for those of us who can't get into US schools
that has ever
come along.

NEW students (people who have not yet attended medical school) please refer to the GW
SOM Home Page.
You will have to attend the New Zealand Campus

Posted on Oct 14 1999, 08:52 PM
from IP address 63.24.98.249


Respond


Why Bother
by Scott

School of Dentistry? I don't know why; foreign-trained dentists are not allowed to practice in
the US!

Posted on Oct 15 1999, 03:23 PM
from IP address 152.166.92.32


Respond


Are you serious?
by Anonymous

I don't know whether or not your statments are true but i fail to see the relavence.
Do you really think that foreign schools exist only to train people for work in the US?
If so you need to do some introspective examination in an effort to determine why you think
that you and your kind (what ever that may be) are centeral to the function and health of the
universe.

Posted on Oct 15 1999, 07:38 PM
from IP address 63.24.98.58


Respond


Give me a Break
by Scott

These schools are all designed as profit-making institutions which cater to individuals who
aspire to one day practice medicine (or in this case, dentistry) in the United States, where
salaries for these professionals are the highest in the world.

I am NOT saying the the US is central to anything; I am just being honest about the appeal of
offshore schools. There is nothing wrong with this; in fact I think that some of these schools
(the big three and Saba in particular) do an excellent job of preparing physicians. But come
on, how many students at these schools honestly aspire to work anywhere but the US? Get
real pal.

Also, dental school anywhere really isn't hard to get into (I know, I was accepted to many,
and I am no 4.0 student), so there is absolutely no need for one offshore.

My personal dream WOULD be to practice medicine somewhere other than the US, but
(and this applies to many of us) after accumulating over $100,000 in debt, it just isn't realistic,
at least for 10 or so years.

Posted on Oct 16 1999, 11:53 AM
from IP address 152.173.54.228


Respond


Only $1500 for GW
by Anonymous

The tuition is $1500 only for this medical school.
Check it out. www.angelfire.com/md/kosan

Posted on Oct 16 1999, 06:33 PM
from IP address 152.163.201.206


Respond


Yes but...
by man with many names

You might as well throw your money in the garbage because your "education" from there will
be worthless. I would rather pay $15,000/semester to get into an established school where I
know I'll be getting a residency. It would be less of a hassle to just through your money away
or use it for toilet paper than to go to GWSOM. You may be able to convince a few suckers
out there that you can get a quality education for $1,500, but I like to think the majority of us
just aren't going to fall for it.

Posted on Oct 16 1999, 08:38 PM
from IP address 32.100.207.237


Respond


your remarks are logical
by Anonymous

Scott, your remarks are logical and your argument lucid. However, I am telling you this guy
and his investors have plenty of money -- there motivation (of course one must exist) is to
leave a mark, and maybe to a lesser extent to do something valuable.

The founding principle for this endeavor (as Hong explained it to me) is that a true Biomedical
Institution must be an active participant in the scientific community-- this means biomedical
research and publication.

Hong is presently finishing up research on TNF-a.
Upon completion the host institution will be listed as GW SOM. This should get the ball
rolling and bring this guy one step closer to achieving his dream. I wish him the best of luck.