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    Hi,

    I am a 22 year old male. I have been loosing my hair since I was 19 and I would like to address the problem now and stop it in its tracks. It's only early in the stages, I still have a full head of hair on top but I have a rapidly receeding hair line at the temples. I would like to take natural vitamins and herbs to help promote hair growth. From my research people recommend;

    A good multivitamin for Hiar, skin and nails (should contain Biotin > 2000mcg, and B vitamin compelx)
    Saw plametto (How much do I need?)
    He Shou Wu or Fo-Ti (How much do I need?)
    Stinging nettle or Pygeum (Which is best, how much do I need?)
    Flaxseed oil (Will fish oils do the same?)

    I am a student and i dont have much money, also where I live there isnt many health food stores I can talk to or by products from, so it has to be all online.

    Lots of people say to buy a good multivitamin, but no one can tell me which brands are good! It would also be best if I could get everything in one or two products for ease of use.

    If there is anything else you can recommend please let me know.

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    Welcome to the club, were genetics takes places on your mom's side. I started like that, same age, give or take, now I look like Kojak, or Bruce Willis in the last Die Hard movie. Not to discourage you, but back then I tried all that same stuff.

    Also...you are aware that these threads are not made for consultations...correct?

    Cheers

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    Hi,

    I am a 22 year old male. I have been loosing my hair since I was 19 and I would like to address the problem now and stop it in its tracks. It's only early in the stages, I still have a full head of hair on top but I have a rapidly receeding hair line at the temples. I would like to take natural vitamins and herbs to help promote hair growth. From my research people recommend;

    A good multivitamin for Hiar, skin and nails (should contain Biotin > 2000mcg, and B vitamin compelx)
    Saw plametto (How much do I need?)
    He Shou Wu or Fo-Ti (How much do I need?)
    Stinging nettle or Pygeum (Which is best, how much do I need?)
    Flaxseed oil (Will fish oils do the same?)

    I am a student and i dont have much money, also where I live there isnt many health food stores I can talk to or by products from, so it has to be all online.

    Lots of people say to buy a good multivitamin, but no one can tell me which brands are good! It would also be best if I could get everything in one or two products for ease of use.

    If there is anything else you can recommend please let me know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anonymity View Post
    Hi,

    I am a 22 year old male. I have been loosing my hair since I was 19 and I would like to address the problem now and stop it in its tracks. It's only early in the stages, I still have a full head of hair on top but I have a rapidly receeding hair line at the temples. I would like to take natural vitamins and herbs to help promote hair growth. From my research people recommend;

    A good multivitamin for Hiar, skin and nails (should contain Biotin > 2000mcg, and B vitamin compelx)
    Saw plametto (How much do I need?)
    He Shou Wu or Fo-Ti (How much do I need?)
    Stinging nettle or Pygeum (Which is best, how much do I need?)
    Flaxseed oil (Will fish oils do the same?)

    I am a student and i dont have much money, also where I live there isnt many health food stores I can talk to or by products from, so it has to be all online.

    Lots of people say to buy a good multivitamin, but no one can tell me which brands are good! It would also be best if I could get everything in one or two products for ease of use.

    If there is anything else you can recommend please let me know.
    Genetics will win vs. vitamins, but you may be able to slow the process a bit.

    As far as a good multi...Nature's Way makes a multi called ALIVE..it is GREAT! Although the serving size is three big pills, one or two should be adequate, and the quality is excellent (more bioavailability...you can digest these unlike centrum)

    The B vitamins are good for stress (not really for hair growth)..Stress of course can lead to hair loss. Biotin, however, is good for hair, skin, and nails. They even sell a 5mg (5000mcg), and since it is water soluble, you can't overdose on it.

    I don't know how the herbs you mentioned relate to hair growth, they are better for prostate health (is there a relation?). When it comes to herbs, you want to get "standardized extract".

    Flax is better for skin (maybe hair) and cholesterol, but Fish oil, also good for hair, will also be good for your brain.

    Fo-Ti has become popular...just follow directions on the bottle.

    The other thing I might suggest are antioxidants, namely CoQ-10. As we get older, we produce less CoQ-10, which leads to aging...From wrinkles to hair loss, to cognitive function...CoQ-10 is a great supplement to take (preferably a soft gel)...As you are still young, maybe 60mg/day...as you hit 40 you would want to up that to 120mgday.

    Even Vitamin C and Vitamin E may help, but again, in the end genetics will win.
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    Go to a barber shop near a military base. They usually know how to help. Plus it's fast and cheap!

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    vitamis don't matter...dosage matters less....ever wonder why your pee glows in the dark when taking vitamins? because the vast vast vast vast majority of the vitamin is flitered out and you are urinating it out. like one of our profs used to say "the US has the worlds most expensive urine"

    here is some sound advice:

    1)you can take the $30 a month you will spend on vitamins and save it. in 10 years when you need it you will have enogh for a hair transplant which is the only thing that really works.

    2)if you don't wanna do that you can take $30 that you would spend on vitamins and goto your local bank. get the entire amonut in quarters then head to a fountain and throw it all in there one at a time wishing for hair. i guarantee you will have the same results as actually taking the vitamins

    3) take the $30 a month and mail it to me. i will not only put it to good use but promise to wish hair for you and once again i will guarantee the same results as actuallytaking the vitamins

    the only side effects from my three options is that the owner of the vitamin company will have $30 less a month to laugh all the way to the bank with
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    Better be careful AUC, vitamins do help (maybe not as much with hair loss), and doseage and quality do matter. As a doctor, whether you believe in them or not, should learn about them and not be so negative.

    I'll take vitamins any day of the week over your precious meds.
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    no they don't

    Quote Originally Posted by mongo18 View Post
    Better be careful AUC, vitamins do help (maybe not as much with hair loss), and doseage and quality do matter. As a doctor, whether you believe in them or not, should learn about them and not be so negative.

    I'll take vitamins any day of the week over your precious meds.

    the majority aren't absorbed well so they don't help and some new data is actually starting to show deleterious effects. look up antioxidant vitamins and cardiac risk and keep an eye on the data coming down in the next 5 years. without getting into the biochem too much USP isolated and mineral derived vitamins can have bioavailabilty of 1%. the vitamins and nutrients in foods are part of nutritional food complexes that are utilized and absorbed together by tissues. they are in complexes because millions of years of evolution have made our tissues compatible and able to absorve those complexes..otherwise we'd have individual vitamin trees to pluck our nutrients from. isolated minerals in vitamins are not well absorbed and all the money spent on vitamins goes in the toilet.....

    there are vitamins that have places that help like b12, vitamin a, etc when there is a medical deficiency needing it. however regardless of what the vitamin industry tells you, most people aren't vitamin deficient. nutritional quality deficient yes, mentally deficient sure, but if you eat food in the western world you are not vitamin deficient..even the garbage from the burger joints has enriched garbage making the food from the ingredients.

    i'm not a big fan of medicines either and recommend even a marginal diet over any medications i prescribe because everything has side effects

    on the same note you do realize that the 8 glasses of water a day is a myth and a marketing ploy right? unless you are a firefighter in a blaze or run marathons for your daily routine you are NOT dehydrated and DO NOT need 8 glasses of water. that little tid bit was taken from a paper that estimated the TOTAL requirement of water for an average person. in this case total meaning all water intake including water in our food..after all milk, fruit, tea, juice etc all contain water so again if you eat food you are likely well hydrated and not nutritionally deficient unless you are in the aforementioned professions of course

    you are right, i am a doctor and as such i make decisions based on science and best available facts not on rumor or the latest issue of any "Health" magazine where each "article"is coincidentally followed with ordering information for whatever wonder vitamin the "article"was about. at the same time i don't rely on those biased rags from the medical community with "research"in between 8 page color advertising lay outs. gotta read med line, look through ovid and for Gods sake have some common sense and remember your biochemistry

    so use the vitamins, beleive me i'd rather have your money in the toilet than in a pfizer profit report. and i am negative on stuff that doesn't work like vitamins or most chemo....
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    Aucmd

    Well written. Well, I still disagree with some of your points. Unfortunately, there are brands of vitamins that have no quality control and do not use proper ingredients, or use certain binders and fillers that can't break down, so they give a bad name. (Centrum)

    I would venture to say that most of us (americans at least) are vitamin/mineral deficiant because of the food we eat/lifestyle. Too processed, too many chemicals, etc. Let me rephrase...maybe by "someone's " standards, we are not deficiant, but we definately do not have optimal levels of these nutrients.

    The fact is that the pharm companies have too much power and money and will go after anything that threatens their profit, i.e., vitamins. So you will read more negatives about vitamins, because, in truth..they work, and are cutting into the pharms $$.

    It is all about quality when it comes to vitamins and minerals. Not everyone needs everything, but depending what they are trying to do, vitamins can be very beneficial for one's health.
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    i agree quality makes a big difference. for example generic medications don't have to meet the same requirements of purity as branded because they dont need to show their quality standards or procesures they just need to show efficacy. for things that i know about like birth control pills the braded true dosage can vary by 1-3% whereas generics dose can vary by as much as 20%. this is usually not a big deal but when you factor in pt size you can have subtheraputic levels of meds in some of these gagantic patients.

    i still think that in the western world our diet is varied enough even as deep fried and bad as it is that most people are not nutritionally deficient. i think the only subgroups that are nutritionally deficient are oddly enough health freaks, vegeterians, and bulemics...that is other than people with medical malabsorpyion diseases.

    people who are nutritionally deficient are characteristocally people whose source of nutrition is derrived from one food source like places in china with rice only and places in south america with corn only diets.

    eating a good diet trumps both vitamins and my rx privilidges but either way taking a modest amount of supplements can't hurt. i don't know about people taking vitamin megadoses though....

    good topic and conversation btw
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    my advice:

    use saw palmetto cleanser kit (contains herbal oil + saw palmetto cleanser + saw palmetoo shampoo)

    vitamins (use biotin 600 mg and basic antioxidants from gnc store)

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