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    Please, a question about the premed program.

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    Hi, I have an undergraduate degree in a biological science and I was wondering if I could still apply for the premed program at MUA. I have never had classes in Medical Terminology, Anatomy, or Cell Biology.

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    Yes, you definitely can. We have a few finance and English majors who have never taken biology courses, but know that it will be quite a bit tougher if you hadn't taken any of these courses.

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    Medical Terminology, Anatomy, and Cell Biology are not premedical required courses at most universities.

    The required classes are a year of Biology (with lab), a year of Chemistry (with lab), Organic Chemistry (with lab), Physics (with lab)... and sometimes Biochemistry (but not always) and Math (to some level that I can't even remember anymore).

    Medical school covers Anatomy, Cell Bio, and Med Term ad nauseam... you don't need them in advance. If you have the GPA and MCAT requirements met, you can (and should) apply directly to medical school without these classes, unless you need them to raise your GPA or something. (Med Term will not likely count as a science class, be aware of that.)

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    Hi, I have an undergraduate degree in a biological science and I was wondering if I could still apply for the premed program at MUA. I have never had classes in Medical Terminology, Anatomy, or Cell Biology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Cosmos View Post
    Yes, you definitely can. We have a few finance and English majors who have never taken biology courses, but know that it will be quite a bit tougher if you hadn't taken any of these courses.
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    Medical Terminology, Anatomy, and Cell Biology are not premedical required courses at most universities.

    The required classes are a year of Biology (with lab), a year of Chemistry (with lab), Organic Chemistry (with lab), Physics (with lab)... and sometimes Biochemistry (but not always) and Math (to some level that I can't even remember anymore).

    Medical school covers Anatomy, Cell Bio, and Med Term ad nauseam... you don't need them in advance. If you have the GPA and MCAT requirements met, you can (and should) apply directly to medical school without these classes, unless you need them to raise your GPA or something. (Med Term will not likely count as a science class, be aware of that.)
    Well, I kind of meant the opposite like the fact that I have an undergraduate degree and have taken Chemistry and Organic Chemistry keeping me from enrolling in a premed program that could lead to admission into an accredited school.

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    I would highly recommend taking any remaining pre-med science classes in the US, and applying to US MD and DO programs... unless your credentials are simply not up to snuff. In that case, after taking the remaining pre-med science classes, then apply to the Big Four Carib schools (SGU, Ross, SABA, and AUC), or the post-grad medical school programs in Ireland. In fact, there are two 5-year, post-grad programs in Ireland for students with a bachelor's degree, and they do not require the MCAT or a specific undergrad major.

    The non-Big-Four Carib schools should probably not be one's first choice.

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    Well, I kind of meant the opposite like the fact that I have an undergraduate degree and have taken Chemistry and Organic Chemistry keeping me from enrolling in a premed program that could lead to admission into an accredited school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by devildoc8404 View Post
    I would highly recommend taking any remaining pre-med science classes in the US, and applying to US MD and DO programs... unless your credentials are simply not up to snuff. In that case, after taking the remaining pre-med science classes, then apply to the Big Four Carib schools (SGU, Ross, SABA, and AUC), or the post-grad medical school programs in Ireland. In fact, there are two 5-year, post-grad programs in Ireland for students with a bachelor's degree, and they do not require the MCAT or a specific undergrad major.

    The non-Big-Four Carib schools should probably not be one's first choice.
    That's interesting stuff about the Irish schools. Especially if you can get covered for up to the full cost of attendance. I actually meant to PM you devildoc after reading some of your posts but the five posts thing kept me from doing so. I just looked at the sites for one of the two five-year programs I'm trying to make sense of their criteria. How difficult are they to get into compared to the big 4? They mention a second language (so would I have to start getting taking some classes) and "ABB GCE A-Levels in the three laboratory science subjects: Biology, Chemistry and Physics." Does that mean A's in one of the subjects and B's in the other. I have A's in Physics and B's in Biology and Organic Chemistry but I had a C in one semester of Chemistry (could I retake it at a state university and satisfy it?).

    Also, 2. A character reference of a current date from the Head of the School or College or other institution, or from a member of the clergy or other person of standing in the community who knows the applicant personally." I don't know where to begin with that.

    Anyway, thanks for the info. I don't expect answers for them but do you know where I could find them or should I just contact the school?

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    Another question would be if you can you go into any of the six-year programs if you already have an undergraduate degree, in which case they might take off a year?
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    devildoc, I'm going to PM you.

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    Definitely contact AB with specific questions about the Irish programs -- I'm not a student there so I can't help a lot in that regard. The information and academic requirements will be in a bit different lingo for American applicants, and since AB works specifically with North American applicants, they will likely be able to describe the requirements in a more comprehensible manner for you.

    You can probably apply for some of the 6-year programs if you wish, but you will probably not be signed out of any full years of the program. Individual classes, perhaps, but not years, simply because the classes don't match up perfectly. For example, the people who came to my school (a 6-year curriculum) after completing a US bachelor's degree still have had to complete all 6 years, although they have been signed out of some of the classes. They didn't have medical school gross anatomy, for example, which is covered during the first two years of medical school here, so they couldn't get around that.

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    devildoc,

    I don't mean to sound rude, but why are you in MUA's forum giving advice if you are not even a current student or prospective student. Are you a recruiter for another institution? Let these people try it out for themselves. Other schools but the "big 4" will get you back to the US, it's all of what YOU make of it and if you take advantage of what the schools have to offer -----if you do, then success is in your future! Stop being so cliche and realize that more and more students are going to the caribbean these days for med school. The US as we know is not too friendly when it comes to allowing "non-traditional" students in their medical school and everybody has their own story, but that does not mean that they cannot become a doctor without the US med schools or the "Big 4". Sorry to attack you in this e-mail...I am just exhausted about hearing the negative pr caribbean schools get. I personally have some friends who have graduated from MUA recently and have obtained VERY competitive residency positions in the US. I also know people that went to MUA and did not make it....you have to remember....caribbean schools give you a second shot so most likely some prospective applicants applying to these schools have not acquired the skills to succeed. MUA will still give them a chance, however, like I said they will not succeed. The VAST MAJORITY WILL. The difference with US schools is that they "weed" out all the ones they think will not succeed before even the interview...do you get it??? This way of "doing business" makes US medical schools look VERY GOOD and have IMPRESSIVE STATS compared to their counterparts

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